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From: Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com>
To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 15:27:34 -0800
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator
Thread-Topic: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator
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Listing them might be nearly impossible.  I don't think we know them all.

What are the rules around something like:
    riaflex dot blogspot dot com
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    www dot cflex dot net

I think there's lots of sites like these out there.

Thanks,
-Alex

On 12/20/11 2:24 PM, "Ross Gardler" <rgardler@opendirective.com> wrote:

> The proposal says "Existing Flex-related conferences, podcasts and
> websites should be allowed to continue using =B3Flex=B2 as part of their
> name - Apache Flex will have to create guidelines for that."
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> Whilst I don't see any problem with that in principle it would be
> really useful to itemise these items so that we know what we are
> dealing with.
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> Ross
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> On 20 December 2011 09:02, Leo Simons <mail@leosimons.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:
>>> I would like to propose Flex to be an Apache Incubator project.
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>>> Here's a link to the proposal:
>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/FlexProposal
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>> Pasted inline:
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>> =3D Apache Flex Proposal =3D
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>> =3D=3D Abstract =3D=3D
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>> Apache Flex is an application framework for easily building
>> Flash-based applications for mobile devices, the browser and desktop.
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>> =3D=3D Proposal =3D=3D
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>> Apache Flex allows developers to target a variety of platforms,
>> initially Apple iOS, Google Android, RIM !BlackBerry, Microsoft
>> Windows, and Mac OS X with a single codebase. Flex provides a
>> compiler, skinnable user-interface components and managers to handle
>> styling, skinning, layout, localization, animation, module-loading and
>> user interaction management.
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>> =3D=3D Background =3D=3D
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>> Apache Flex is the software evolution of the popular Adobe Flex SDK proj=
ect.
>> Adobe Flex SDK evolved from the need to provide developers with an
>> easy programming model for creating rich Internet applications that
>> can run in the browser, on the desktop or on mobile devices.
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>> Adobe Flex SDK has always focused on a single goal: to provide
>> application developers with all of the constructs needed to boost
>> their productivity while building large-scale, visually expressive
>> applications. This meant that Flex provided all the traditional UI
>> components in a way that designers and developers could interact with
>> them along with a dynamic scripting language, !ActionScript, and a
>> declarative markup language, MXML.
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>> Adobe will donate the Flex trademark to the Apache Software Foundation
>> as part of the incubation process. The source code, documentation and
>> related assets will all be contributed to the Apache Foundation as
>> Flex.
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>> =3D=3D Rationale =3D=3D
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>> Content developers need to target multiple screens and the cost of
>> creating applications native to every target platform is high.
>> Additionally, the dominant window to the web is quickly becoming
>> devices, mostly phones, and delivering consistent experiences is key.
>> The Apache Flex project exists to bring the focus back to a consistent
>> development model, one where a single application can run the exact
>> same way across the web, desktop and mobile devices.
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>> =3D=3D Initial Goals =3D=3D
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>> =A0* Donate all Adobe Flex SDK source code and documentation to the
>> Apache Software Foundation.
>> =A0* Setup and standardize the open governance of the Apache Flex projec=
t.
>> =A0* Rename all assets from Adobe Flex SDK to Apache Flex in project
>> source code, docs, tests and related infrastructure.
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>> =3D=3D Current Status =3D=3D
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>> Flex is a mature software project. 1.0 was shipped in March of 2004
>> with 7 major releases having shipped since. The most recent release
>> was the 4.6 version which shipped on November 29th, 2011.
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>> =3D=3D Meritocracy =3D=3D
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>> The Adobe Flex source code is available to the community on the Adobe
>> opensource site:
>> http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/flexsdk/Flex+SDK. =A0Currently,
>> while the community has been invited to contribute patches to the
>> codebase, only Adobe employees decided on which patches to commit.
>> There were no external committers and this caused frustration in the
>> community.
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>> Going forward, both Adobe and our community are eager to become one
>> single merit-based community working together. =A0To that end, Adobe
>> will only have minority representation on the initial committers list.
>> =A0Adobe is working to educate our community with meetings and blog
>> posts on how the Apache model makes this possible for them.
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>> We have made it clear to our community that going forward, the
>> community, rather than Adobe, will determine the future of Flex.
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>> =3D=3D Community =3D=3D
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>> The community surrounding Flex is vast, diverse, distributed globally,
>> and with all levels of proficiency in software development. The common
>> thread of application development binds all Flex developers together.
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>> It is estimated that there is between 350,000 and 500,000 Flex
>> developers worldwide. Precise numbers are impossible for us to know
>> due to the open nature of Flex. A blog post calling for initial
>> committers received over 60 responses in two days. =A0 The !FlexCoders
>> mailing list, a general-purpose mailing list for anyone working with
>> Flex, has over 9000 members. =A0A quick look on the Adobe Forums or
>> Twitter=B9s #!AdobeFlex hashtag usually shows activity within minutes.
>> The community is engaged and active daily and incredibly excited by
>> Adobe=B9s move to contribute Adobe Flex SDK to Apache. The community is
>> responsive, inclusive and honestly emphatic when it comes to bettering
>> Flex for application development.
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>> =3D=3D Alignment =3D=3D
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>> The only way the Apache Flex project can work is if it is an open,
>> transparent and collaborative effort. The project has now grown in
>> mind-share and community enough that we believe it is time we work
>> with a foundation to see the code mature in a fashion consistent with
>> our values.
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>> =3D=3D Known Risks =3D=3D
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>> Moving from a corporate-led project to the Apache model of
>> collaboration is a challenge, and Adobe is committed to help making
>> the transition as smooth as possible, by delegating employees to work
>> on the new project. We would like to see more free collaboration from
>> the community but with the same principles that has kept Flex with the
>> high-quality design and ease-of-use it has maintained under Adobe=B9s
>> governing hand.
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>> =3D=3D Documentation =3D=3D
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>> We will, over time, be moving all of the documentation, including
>> localized versions, from Adobe
>> (http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flex/documentation.html) to the Apache
>> Software Foundation.
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>> =3D=3D Initial Source =3D=3D
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>> All code related to the Apache Flex project can be found on SVN here:
>> http://opensource.adobe.com/svn/opensource/flex/sdk/branches/4.y/
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>> =3D=3D Source and IP Submission Plan =3D=3D
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>> =A0* All canonical source will be moved to Apache infrastructure under
>> the name Flex.
>> =A0* Documentation and specifications will be moved completely over to
>> the Apache systems.
>> =A0* The existing Flash Builder trademark will be used as a commercial e=
ntity.
>> =A0* Existing Flex-related conferences, podcasts and websites should be
>> allowed to continue using =B3Flex=B2 as part of their name - Apache Flex
>> will have to create guidelines for that.
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>> =3D=3D External Dependencies =3D=3D
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>> Some parts of Flex development rely on third-party libraries. =A0The
>> complete list is still being determined but some are:
>> =A0* Adobe AIR SDK
>> =A0* Adobe Flash Player SDK
>> =A0* Adobe Text Layout Framework (TLF)
>> =A0* Adobe Open Source Media Framework (OSMF)
>> =A0* Adobe Font Engine (AFE)
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>> Licensing of these dependencies will have to be checked, and possibly
>> adapted, to allow their use in Apache Flex.
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>> =3D=3D Required Resources =3D=3D
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>> Mailing Lists
>> =A0* flex-dev
>> =A0* flex-commits
>> =A0* flex-private
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>> Subversion Directory
>> =A0* http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/flex
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>> Issue Tracking:
>> =A0* FLEX project in JIRA.
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>> Wiki will be requested as needed.
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>> =3D=3D Initial Committers =3D=3D
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>> =A0* Alex Harui (aharui at adobe dot com)
>> =A0* Carol Frampton (cframpto at adobe dot com)
>> =A0* Adam Flater (adamflater at gmail dot com)
>> =A0* Anatole Tartakovsky (atartakovsky at faratasystems dot com)
>> =A0* Ben Kolin (bkolin at vmware dot com)
>> =A0* Chuck Mastrandrea (chuck.mastrandrea at sas dot com)
>> =A0* Douglas Arthur (darthur at vmware dot com)
>> =A0* Espen Skogen (espen.skogen at jpmorgan dot com)
>> =A0* Gabor Csomak (csomakk at gmail dot com)
>> =A0* Garth Braithwaite (garthdb at adobe dot com)
>> =A0* Greg Owen (Greg.Owen at effectiveui dot com)
>> =A0* Igor Costa (igorcosta at gmail dot com)
>> =A0* Iwo Banas (banas.iwo at gmail dot com)
>> =A0* Jeff Boothe (jeff.boothe. at reurgency dot com)
>> =A0* Jeff Tapper (jeff at spoon.as)
>> =A0* Jeffry Houser (jeffry at dot-com-it dot com)
>> =A0* Jeremy Tellier (jtellier at axeda dot com)
>> =A0* Jon Rose (jon.rose at gorillajawn dot com)
>> =A0* Jonathon Campos (jonbcampos at gmail dot com)
>> =A0* Jun Heider (jun at realeyes dot com)
>> =A0* Kevin Korngut (kevin at spoon.as)
>> =A0* Leif Wells (leif.wells at gmail dot com)
>> =A0* Michael Jordan (mijordan at adobe dot com)
>> =A0* Michael Labriola (labriola at digitalprimates dot net)
>> =A0* Michael Schmalle (mike at teotigraphix dot com)
>> =A0* Michelle Yaiser (myaiser at adobe dot com)
>> =A0* Nicholas Kwaitkowski (nicholas at spoon.as)
>> =A0* Omar Gonzalez (omarg.developer at gmail dot com)
>> =A0* Peter Elst (peter.elst at gmail dot com)
>> =A0* Pratyoosh Sharma (pratyoosh.sharma at jpmorgan dot com)
>> =A0* Rui Silva (rui.silva at alert-online dot com)
>> =A0* Ryan Frishberg (Ryan.Frishberg at ubs dot com)
>> =A0* Scott Delamater (sdelamater at shutterfly dot com)
>> =A0* Sebastian Mohr (masuland at gmail dot com)
>> =A0* Stephen Downs (stephen.downs at tink dot ws)
>> =A0* Stephen Gilson (smgilson at adobe dot com)
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>> =3D=3D Sponsors =3D=3D
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>> Champion
>> =A0* Bertrand Delacretaz
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>> Nominated Mentors
>> =A0* Bertrand Delacretaz
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>> looking for additional mentors
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>> =3D=3D Sponsoring Entity =3D=3D
>> =A0* Apache Incubator
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Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui


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