Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D6BC693EC for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 18:24:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 20374 invoked by uid 500); 8 Dec 2011 18:24:14 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 20129 invoked by uid 500); 8 Dec 2011 18:24:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 20121 invoked by uid 99); 8 Dec 2011 18:24:13 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 18:24:13 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of karlpauls@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.175 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.161.175] (HELO mail-gx0-f175.google.com) (209.85.161.175) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 18:24:07 +0000 Received: by ggnh1 with SMTP id h1so2225043ggn.6 for ; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 10:23:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Vh1c16vhUPf+4iiLUd8VmgDpzqFy5ufXfe+V+Nn4Q/k=; b=ScIIlkO4Hx0zBgc3gYXKSykaS38OX/ClsPopKst7azV3EeD8+mYXuQVDUP5vSOjYrN lilEiYDiBCtcAR8w7LHd93Herl2mlDcA2d+bJr1T28FICB6QQ8uZ5dOJ0cn1aVLKQRCa C4jKT7klqNfwgBaY7doe2SGwQe6bFD0/aXmAU= Received: by 10.182.50.65 with SMTP id a1mr925198obo.17.1323368626340; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 10:23:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.44.232 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 10:23:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Karl Pauls Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 19:23:24 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE] Release ace version 0.8.1-incubator subprojects To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 6:17 PM, sebb wrote: > On 8 December 2011 16:54, Karl Pauls wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:17 PM, sebb wrote: >>> On 8 December 2011 15:28, Karl Pauls wrote: >>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 4:21 PM, sebb wrote: >>>>> On 8 December 2011 14:30, Karl Pauls wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 1:08 PM, sebb wrote: >>>>>>> On 8 December 2011 10:39, sebb wrote: >>>>>>>> On 8 December 2011 10:14, Karl Pauls wrote: >>>>>>>>> The vote on "Release ace version 0.8.1-incubator subprojects" has= been >>>>>>>>> running for 72h and we didn't see any more votes from IPMC member= s >>>>>>>>> other than the 4 votes we already have from the vote on the ace d= ev >>>>>>>>> list. Given that this release was created specifically because so= me >>>>>>>>> issues with our last release where causing some debate on our "sh= ould >>>>>>>>> we ask for graduation" vote I really would have hoped that we get= some >>>>>>>>> feedback on this one -- hence, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm not saying this is a big factor in the lack of response, but >>>>>>>> normally votes include all the relevant information in the e-mail. >>>>>>>> In this case one has to go digging through another e-mail (using a= n >>>>>>>> offsite link as well) to find the details. >>>>>>>> The easier it is made for users, the more likely they are to respo= nd. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm copying the details below in case that helps anyone else: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>>>>> After our community graduation vote lead to a lengthy discussion a= bout >>>>>>>> the 0.8.0-incubator release we did, we decided to roll a new ACE >>>>>>>> release, based on the original release. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In the release we fix the issue that our previous source artifacts= did >>>>>>>> not contain a pom.xml so building them was hard. You can now downl= oad >>>>>>>> a single, or all sources, and build them with a single command. Al= so, >>>>>>>> we added an extra artifact that contains the full source code, whi= ch >>>>>>>> is there for convenience in case someone wants to download all the >>>>>>>> sources and start developing from there. We did that in a way that= is >>>>>>>> somewhat similar to Sling, but instead of using svn:externals we u= sed >>>>>>>> Maven to generate this artifact (for more see the README.txt insid= e >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.release.full 0.8.1-incubator) -- hence, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would like to call a vote on the following ace 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> subproject releases: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ace-pom 0.8.1-incubator org.apache.ace.client.automation >>>>>>>> 0.8.1-incubator org.apache.ace.client.repository.api 0.8.1-incubat= or >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.client.repository.helper.base 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.client.repository.helper.bundle 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.client.repository.helper.configuration 0.8.1-incuba= tor >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.client.repository.helper.user 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.client.repository.impl 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.client.repository.useradmin 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.configurator 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.configurator.serveruseradmin 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.configurator.useradmin.task 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.consolelogger 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.deployment.api 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.deployment.deploymentadmin 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.deployment.provider.api 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.deployment.provider.base 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.deployment.provider.filebased 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.deployment.provider.repositorybased 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.deployment.servlet 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.deployment.streamgenerator 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.deployment.task 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.discovery.api 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.discovery.property 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.discovery.upnp 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.gateway.log 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.gateway.log.store 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.httplistener 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.identification.api 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.identification.ifconfig 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.identification.property 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.launcher 0.8.1-incubator org.apache.ace.location.up= np >>>>>>>> 0.8.1-incubator org.apache.ace.log 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.log.listener 0.8.1-incubator org.apache.ace.log.ser= vlet >>>>>>>> 0.8.1-incubator org.apache.ace.log.task 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.managementagent 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.nodelauncher.amazon 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.nodelauncher.api 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.nodelauncher.ui 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.obr.metadata 0.8.1-incubator org.apache.ace.obr.ser= vlet >>>>>>>> 0.8.1-incubator org.apache.ace.obr.storage 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.range.api 0.8.1-incubator org.apache.ace.release.fu= ll >>>>>>>> 0.8.1-incubator org.apache.ace.repository.api 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.repository.ext 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.repository.impl 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.repository.servlet 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.repository.task 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.resourceprocessor.useradmin 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.scheduler 0.8.1-incubator org.apache.ace.scheduler.= api >>>>>>>> 0.8.1-incubator org.apache.ace.server.action 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.server.action.popupmessage 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.server.log.store 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.tageditor 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.target.defaults 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.target.devgateway 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.target.devserver 0.8.1-incubator org.apache.ace.uti= l >>>>>>>> 0.8.1-incubator org.apache.ace.webconsole.plugin 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.webui.vaadin 0.8.1-incubator >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Staging repositories: >>>>>>>> https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapacheace-25= 9/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tags: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ace/releases/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hard work checking/downloading those, as the directory still contai= ns >>>>>>> the 0.8.0 tags. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Verify: You can download the keys used to sign the release from: >>>>>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ace/trunk/KEYS >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Download: You can use this UNIX script to download the release and >>>>>>>> verify the signatures: >>>>>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ace/trunk/check_staged_= release.sh >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Usage: sh check_staged_release.sh 259 /tmp/ace-staging >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Build: Find the source-release.{zip|tar.gz} in the /tmp/ace-stagin= g >>>>>>>> and follow the README.txt. If you want to build all in one go, sta= rt >>>>>>>> with: /tmp/ace-staging/259/org/apache/ace/org.apache.ace.release.f= ull/0.8.1-incubator/org.apache.ace.release.full-0.8.1-incubator.zip >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Get all source and build with one download: >>>>>>>> https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapacheace-25= 9/org/apache/ace/org.apache.ace.release.full/0.8.1-incubator/org.apache.ace= .release.full-0.8.1-incubator.zip >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This does not actually contain everything in the releases/ folder >>>>>>> tree; it does not contain the contents of >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ace/releases/org.apache.= ace.release.full-0.8.1-incubator/ >>>>>> >>>>>> No, it does not contain that one as it is the result of that one. If >>>>>> you look at the: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapacheace-259/= org/apache/ace/org.apache.ace.release.full/0.8.1-incubator/org.apache.ace.r= elease.full-0.8.1-incubator-source-release.zip >>>>>> >>>>>> source release of it then you can see that we released its source as= well. >>>>>> >>>>>>> It does contain lots of files that don't appear to be in SVN, for >>>>>>> example velocity.log and DISCLAIMER/NOTICE/LICENSE >>>>>> >>>>>> They are either in the tags or they are generated by maven during a >>>>>> release/build. They don't have to be in svn as we don't release svn. >>>>> >>>>> SVN provides traceability; a random collection of source files in a >>>>> zip would be very difficult to trace back to the originals. >>>>> AIUI that's one reason why source releases should only contain files >>>>> that are in SVN or directly derived therefrom. >>>> >>>> I agree, and that is the case. >>>> >>>>> AFAICT the velocity.log files are just noise, and could be excluded >>>>> (not a blocker). >>>> >>>> Yes, they are. >>>> >>>>>> However, they are generated if you build/release what is inside svn. >>>>>> >>>>>>> There is also a top-level pom.xml which does not appear to be in th= e SVN tags >>>>>> >>>>>> Same thing, it is generated upon release based on what is in svn. In >>>>>> this case, it is based on: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ace/releases/org.apache.a= ce.release.full-0.8.1-incubator/src/main/resources/release-reactor.xml >>>>>> >>>>>> I think your confusion is that it is a combined source artifact alon= g >>>>>> the line of what sling is doing. We had some discussions on the >>>>>> approach: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://apache.markmail.org/thread/4hloen52iewblpqs >>>>>> >>>>>> It is there for convenience in case someone wants to download all th= e >>>>>> sources in one go and start developing from there. We did that in a >>>>>> way that is somewhat similar to Sling, but instead of using >>>>>> svn:externals we used Maven to generate this artifact (for more see >>>>>> the README.txt inside org.apache.ace.release.full 0.8.1-incubator). >>>>> >>>>> [BTW, that is rather hard to read, owing to very long lines - max >>>>> nearly 525 chars.] >>>>> >>>>> So is it possible to start with the combined zip file and produce all >>>>> the artifacts that are stored in the Nexus repo? >>>> >>>> Yes. The only exception is the combining project as well, which is >>>> part of the release (see previous mail) but not included in the >>>> combined zip file it produces. >>>> >>>>> Or are there additional files that would need to be obtained from SVN= ? >>>> >>>> No. It is self-contained. >>>> >>>>> Just tried "mvn install" on the zip, and it failed with: >>>>> >>>>> [INFO] Building Apache ACE :: Log :: Listener >>>>> [INFO] =A0 =A0task-segment: [install] >>>>> ... >>>>> The system is out of resources. >>>>> Consult the following stack trace for details. >>>>> java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: PermGen space >>>>> ... >>>>> [INFO] Final Memory: 65M/314M >>>>> >>>>> What Maven settings are needed to build from source? >>>> >>>> Depends on your environment etc. For me, it builds out of the box but >>>> just in case: >>>> >>>> export MAVEN_OPTS=3D-Xmx1024m >>> >>> That fixed it for me; perhaps should be added to README.txt. >> >> Yeah, that makes sense. >> >>> The NOTICE file seems to have gathered some unnecessary verbiage. >>> >>> For example: >>> >>>>>> >>> This product includes software developed at >>> The Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org/). >>> Licensed under the Apache License 2.0. >>> <<< >>> >>> should be just >>> >>>>>> >>> This product includes software developed at >>> The Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org/). >>> <<< >>> >>> Similarly for all the other products - the license details belong in >>> the LICENSE file, for example see the httpd versions: >>> >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/httpd/trunk/NOTICE >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/httpd/trunk/LICENSE >>> >>> Httpd don't include 3rd party code using AL 2.0, but this can easily >>> be documented by adding a list of products that use the AL 2.0 after >>> the license text. >>> >>> It's a lot easier for end users if all the 3rd party products are >>> listed in the LICENSE file. >> >> Yeah, that makes sense. >> >>> I could not find the CDDL license. >> >> Ups, yes, I see - the LICENSE contains the notice section of the code >> under CDDL instead of the CDDL license itself (in the LICENSE see: >> Jersey and JSR-250 License). Don't think this is a blocker as it is at >> least saying it is licensed under CDDL this way but we need to fix >> this to contain the actual CDDL license text for the next release. > > Sorry, but I think the problems with the NOTICE and LICENSE file go > deeper than that. > > For example, for xstream, the license is at: > > http://xstream.codehaus.org/license.html > > This starts: > >>>> > Copyright (c) 2003-2006, Joe Walnes > Copyright (c) 2006-2009, XStream Committers > All rights reserved. > > Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without > modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are me= t: > > Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice ... > <<< > > However, the copy in the LICENSE file omits the first paragraph entirely. > Which makes a nonsense of of the third (now second) paragraph as it > references a non-existent copyright notice. Hm, but that copyright notice is inside the NOTICE. > The LICENSE file must contain the full license; the NOTICE file should > contain whatever notice is required by the license. > > I think the same applies to at least one other entry in the license > file (knoplerfish) Yeah, that seems to be the pattern. Again, the copyright notice is there but in the NOTICE. The licenses in the LICENSE files are missing the copyright header. > In the case of dual licensed files (Jersey and JSR-250 License) the > NOTICE file should clearly state which one is being used, e.g. > >>>:> > This product includes xxx from Oracle > The software is included under the CDDL License. > <<< It does: This product includes software developed at Oracle. Copyright (c) 2010 Oracle and/or its affiliates. Licensed under the CDDL. regards, Karl > >> regards, >> >> Karl >> >>>> export JAVA_HOME=3D >>>> >>>> regards, >>>> >>>> Karl >>>> >>>>>> regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Karl >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please vote to approve this release: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [ ] +1 Approve the release >>>>>>>> [ ] -1 Veto the release (please provide specific comments) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm going to give it another 24h but if I don't see any other vot= es >>>>>>>>> nor any request for more time (as I appreciate that it is a big >>>>>>>>> release) I'm going to call this vote successful based on the 4 IP= MC >>>>>>>>> member votes we did already get. In that case, however, I don't w= ant >>>>>>>>> to see it debated again during graduation i.e., speak now or fore= ver >>>>>>>>> hold your peace. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Karl >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Karl Pauls = wrote: >>>>>>>>>> This is the second release of the ace incubator project called a= ce >>>>>>>>>> version 0.8.1-incubator subprojects releases. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For details of the release see the original vote thread: >>>>>>>>>> http://markmail.org/thread/bxk47uzt7dzbajir >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We have already received 4 binding IPMC votes during the PPMC vo= ting >>>>>>>>>> below. I'd like to continue the vote on general@ now to get the = IPMC >>>>>>>>>> approval -- hence, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please vote to approve this release. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Karl Pauls wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Time to call the vote on the ace version 0.8.1-incubator subpro= jects releases. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> * +1 votes from Marcel Offermans***, Jean-Baptiste Onofr=E9***,= Toni >>>>>>>>>>> Menzel*, Bram de Kruijff, Angelo van der Sijpt*, Carsten Ziegel= er***, >>>>>>>>>>> and Karl Pauls***. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> * No other votes >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The vote is successful. I will approach the Incubator PMC for a= pproval. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> * =3D=3D PPMC >>>>>>>>>>> ** =3D=3D IPMC >>>>>>>>>>> *** =3D=3D PPMC + IPMC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Karl Pauls >>>>>>>>> karlpauls@gmail.com >>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/karlpauls >>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlpauls >>>>>>>>> https://profiles.google.com/karlpauls >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------= ---- >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.or= g >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------= -- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Karl Pauls >>>>>> karlpauls@gmail.com >>>>>> http://twitter.com/karlpauls >>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlpauls >>>>>> https://profiles.google.com/karlpauls >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------= - >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Karl Pauls >>>> karlpauls@gmail.com >>>> http://twitter.com/karlpauls >>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlpauls >>>> https://profiles.google.com/karlpauls >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >>>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Karl Pauls >> karlpauls@gmail.com >> http://twitter.com/karlpauls >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlpauls >> https://profiles.google.com/karlpauls >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > --=20 Karl Pauls karlpauls@gmail.com http://twitter.com/karlpauls http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlpauls https://profiles.google.com/karlpauls --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org