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From Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator
Date Tue, 20 Dec 2011 23:27:34 GMT
Listing them might be nearly impossible.  I don't think we know them all.

What are the rules around something like:
    riaflex dot blogspot dot com
Or 
    www dot cflex dot net

I think there's lots of sites like these out there.

Thanks,
-Alex

On 12/20/11 2:24 PM, "Ross Gardler" <rgardler@opendirective.com> wrote:

> The proposal says "Existing Flex-related conferences, podcasts and
> websites should be allowed to continue using ³Flex² as part of their
> name - Apache Flex will have to create guidelines for that."
> 
> Whilst I don't see any problem with that in principle it would be
> really useful to itemise these items so that we know what we are
> dealing with.
> 
> Ross
> 
> On 20 December 2011 09:02, Leo Simons <mail@leosimons.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:
>>> I would like to propose Flex to be an Apache Incubator project.
>>> 
>>> Here's a link to the proposal:
>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/FlexProposal
>> 
>> Pasted inline:
>> 
>> = Apache Flex Proposal =
>> 
>> == Abstract ==
>> 
>> Apache Flex is an application framework for easily building
>> Flash-based applications for mobile devices, the browser and desktop.
>> 
>> == Proposal ==
>> 
>> Apache Flex allows developers to target a variety of platforms,
>> initially Apple iOS, Google Android, RIM !BlackBerry, Microsoft
>> Windows, and Mac OS X with a single codebase. Flex provides a
>> compiler, skinnable user-interface components and managers to handle
>> styling, skinning, layout, localization, animation, module-loading and
>> user interaction management.
>> 
>> == Background ==
>> 
>> Apache Flex is the software evolution of the popular Adobe Flex SDK project.
>> Adobe Flex SDK evolved from the need to provide developers with an
>> easy programming model for creating rich Internet applications that
>> can run in the browser, on the desktop or on mobile devices.
>> 
>> Adobe Flex SDK has always focused on a single goal: to provide
>> application developers with all of the constructs needed to boost
>> their productivity while building large-scale, visually expressive
>> applications. This meant that Flex provided all the traditional UI
>> components in a way that designers and developers could interact with
>> them along with a dynamic scripting language, !ActionScript, and a
>> declarative markup language, MXML.
>> 
>> Adobe will donate the Flex trademark to the Apache Software Foundation
>> as part of the incubation process. The source code, documentation and
>> related assets will all be contributed to the Apache Foundation as
>> Flex.
>> 
>> == Rationale ==
>> 
>> Content developers need to target multiple screens and the cost of
>> creating applications native to every target platform is high.
>> Additionally, the dominant window to the web is quickly becoming
>> devices, mostly phones, and delivering consistent experiences is key.
>> The Apache Flex project exists to bring the focus back to a consistent
>> development model, one where a single application can run the exact
>> same way across the web, desktop and mobile devices.
>> 
>> == Initial Goals ==
>> 
>>  * Donate all Adobe Flex SDK source code and documentation to the
>> Apache Software Foundation.
>>  * Setup and standardize the open governance of the Apache Flex project.
>>  * Rename all assets from Adobe Flex SDK to Apache Flex in project
>> source code, docs, tests and related infrastructure.
>> 
>> == Current Status ==
>> 
>> Flex is a mature software project. 1.0 was shipped in March of 2004
>> with 7 major releases having shipped since. The most recent release
>> was the 4.6 version which shipped on November 29th, 2011.
>> 
>> == Meritocracy ==
>> 
>> The Adobe Flex source code is available to the community on the Adobe
>> opensource site:
>> http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/flexsdk/Flex+SDK.  Currently,
>> while the community has been invited to contribute patches to the
>> codebase, only Adobe employees decided on which patches to commit.
>> There were no external committers and this caused frustration in the
>> community.
>> 
>> Going forward, both Adobe and our community are eager to become one
>> single merit-based community working together.  To that end, Adobe
>> will only have minority representation on the initial committers list.
>>  Adobe is working to educate our community with meetings and blog
>> posts on how the Apache model makes this possible for them.
>> 
>> We have made it clear to our community that going forward, the
>> community, rather than Adobe, will determine the future of Flex.
>> 
>> == Community ==
>> 
>> The community surrounding Flex is vast, diverse, distributed globally,
>> and with all levels of proficiency in software development. The common
>> thread of application development binds all Flex developers together.
>> 
>> It is estimated that there is between 350,000 and 500,000 Flex
>> developers worldwide. Precise numbers are impossible for us to know
>> due to the open nature of Flex. A blog post calling for initial
>> committers received over 60 responses in two days.   The !FlexCoders
>> mailing list, a general-purpose mailing list for anyone working with
>> Flex, has over 9000 members.  A quick look on the Adobe Forums or
>> Twitter¹s #!AdobeFlex hashtag usually shows activity within minutes.
>> The community is engaged and active daily and incredibly excited by
>> Adobe¹s move to contribute Adobe Flex SDK to Apache. The community is
>> responsive, inclusive and honestly emphatic when it comes to bettering
>> Flex for application development.
>> 
>> == Alignment ==
>> 
>> The only way the Apache Flex project can work is if it is an open,
>> transparent and collaborative effort. The project has now grown in
>> mind-share and community enough that we believe it is time we work
>> with a foundation to see the code mature in a fashion consistent with
>> our values.
>> 
>> == Known Risks ==
>> 
>> Moving from a corporate-led project to the Apache model of
>> collaboration is a challenge, and Adobe is committed to help making
>> the transition as smooth as possible, by delegating employees to work
>> on the new project. We would like to see more free collaboration from
>> the community but with the same principles that has kept Flex with the
>> high-quality design and ease-of-use it has maintained under Adobe¹s
>> governing hand.
>> 
>> == Documentation ==
>> 
>> We will, over time, be moving all of the documentation, including
>> localized versions, from Adobe
>> (http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flex/documentation.html) to the Apache
>> Software Foundation.
>> 
>> == Initial Source ==
>> 
>> All code related to the Apache Flex project can be found on SVN here:
>> http://opensource.adobe.com/svn/opensource/flex/sdk/branches/4.y/
>> 
>> == Source and IP Submission Plan ==
>> 
>>  * All canonical source will be moved to Apache infrastructure under
>> the name Flex.
>>  * Documentation and specifications will be moved completely over to
>> the Apache systems.
>>  * The existing Flash Builder trademark will be used as a commercial entity.
>>  * Existing Flex-related conferences, podcasts and websites should be
>> allowed to continue using ³Flex² as part of their name - Apache Flex
>> will have to create guidelines for that.
>> 
>> == External Dependencies ==
>> 
>> Some parts of Flex development rely on third-party libraries.  The
>> complete list is still being determined but some are:
>>  * Adobe AIR SDK
>>  * Adobe Flash Player SDK
>>  * Adobe Text Layout Framework (TLF)
>>  * Adobe Open Source Media Framework (OSMF)
>>  * Adobe Font Engine (AFE)
>> 
>> Licensing of these dependencies will have to be checked, and possibly
>> adapted, to allow their use in Apache Flex.
>> 
>> == Required Resources ==
>> 
>> Mailing Lists
>>  * flex-dev
>>  * flex-commits
>>  * flex-private
>> 
>> Subversion Directory
>>  * http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/flex
>> 
>> Issue Tracking:
>>  * FLEX project in JIRA.
>> 
>> Wiki will be requested as needed.
>> 
>> == Initial Committers ==
>> 
>>  * Alex Harui (aharui at adobe dot com)
>>  * Carol Frampton (cframpto at adobe dot com)
>>  * Adam Flater (adamflater at gmail dot com)
>>  * Anatole Tartakovsky (atartakovsky at faratasystems dot com)
>>  * Ben Kolin (bkolin at vmware dot com)
>>  * Chuck Mastrandrea (chuck.mastrandrea at sas dot com)
>>  * Douglas Arthur (darthur at vmware dot com)
>>  * Espen Skogen (espen.skogen at jpmorgan dot com)
>>  * Gabor Csomak (csomakk at gmail dot com)
>>  * Garth Braithwaite (garthdb at adobe dot com)
>>  * Greg Owen (Greg.Owen at effectiveui dot com)
>>  * Igor Costa (igorcosta at gmail dot com)
>>  * Iwo Banas (banas.iwo at gmail dot com)
>>  * Jeff Boothe (jeff.boothe. at reurgency dot com)
>>  * Jeff Tapper (jeff at spoon.as)
>>  * Jeffry Houser (jeffry at dot-com-it dot com)
>>  * Jeremy Tellier (jtellier at axeda dot com)
>>  * Jon Rose (jon.rose at gorillajawn dot com)
>>  * Jonathon Campos (jonbcampos at gmail dot com)
>>  * Jun Heider (jun at realeyes dot com)
>>  * Kevin Korngut (kevin at spoon.as)
>>  * Leif Wells (leif.wells at gmail dot com)
>>  * Michael Jordan (mijordan at adobe dot com)
>>  * Michael Labriola (labriola at digitalprimates dot net)
>>  * Michael Schmalle (mike at teotigraphix dot com)
>>  * Michelle Yaiser (myaiser at adobe dot com)
>>  * Nicholas Kwaitkowski (nicholas at spoon.as)
>>  * Omar Gonzalez (omarg.developer at gmail dot com)
>>  * Peter Elst (peter.elst at gmail dot com)
>>  * Pratyoosh Sharma (pratyoosh.sharma at jpmorgan dot com)
>>  * Rui Silva (rui.silva at alert-online dot com)
>>  * Ryan Frishberg (Ryan.Frishberg at ubs dot com)
>>  * Scott Delamater (sdelamater at shutterfly dot com)
>>  * Sebastian Mohr (masuland at gmail dot com)
>>  * Stephen Downs (stephen.downs at tink dot ws)
>>  * Stephen Gilson (smgilson at adobe dot com)
>> 
>> == Sponsors ==
>> 
>> Champion
>>  * Bertrand Delacretaz
>> 
>> Nominated Mentors
>>  * Bertrand Delacretaz
>> 
>> looking for additional mentors
>> 
>> == Sponsoring Entity ==
>>  * Apache Incubator
>> 
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> 
> 

-- 
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui


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