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From Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Feedback on updated NOTICE and LICENSE files (was: [VOTE] Release Kafka 0.7.0-incubating)
Date Tue, 06 Dec 2011 16:45:18 GMT
Ok, thanks for the feedback. I'll open a discussion for this on the
whirr list/jira.

Patrick

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Niclas Hedhman <niclas@hedhman.org> wrote:
> Normally, when you ship the dependency together with your own
> product/project, then (AFAIK) that bigger work needs the NOTICE. If
> you don't ship it, let's say that you call it a "System Requirement"
> or "Optional Plugin", then you don't need it.
>
>
> ALSO, more importantly, it looks like Voldemort depends on BDB Java
> Edition, which I think was discussed at length some years ago on
> legal-discuss@ but is not mentioned explicitly on
> http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html. I think the problem is that
> it seems to demand that all downstream users must ship source code,
> i.e. some odd form of virality. Even more reasons to check with the
> Legal committee...
>
> Cheers
> Niclas
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Patrick Hunt <phunt@apache.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Niclas Hedhman <niclas@hedhman.org> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 6:25 AM, Patrick Hunt <phunt@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Personally I don't believe whirr is in error. Voldemort is under
>>>> Apache 2.0 license, and as such falls under this:
>>>> http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#required-third-party-notices
>>>
>>> See paragraph 4.4 of Apache License ver 2.0.
>>> If Voldemort contains a NOTICE file, then it must be carried forward.
>>> If it doesn't, IMHO you should have an entry in NOTICE that says the
>>> work contains the Voldemort component.
>>
>> Hm, it does have a notice, it's pretty big/hairy:
>> https://github.com/voldemort/voldemort/blob/master/NOTICE
>>
>> perhaps you can help me understand this a bit better, 4.4 addresses
>> "Derivative Works", which afaict whirr is not:
>>
>> ""Derivative Works" shall mean any work, whether in Source or Object
>> form, that is based on (or derived from) the Work and for which the
>> editorial revisions, annotations, elaborations, or other modifications
>> represent, as a whole, an original work of authorship. For the
>> purposes of this License, Derivative Works shall not include works
>> that remain separable from, or merely link (or bind by name) to the
>> interfaces of, the Work and Derivative Works thereof."
>>
>> as whirr is "merely linking to the interfaces of" the work (whirr
>> pulls in the jar file of/from voldemort) and not making any
>> revision/annotation/....modifications of the original. Am I not
>> reading that right? (IANAL)
>>
>> I also notice in 4.4 where is says "excluding those notices that do
>> not pertain to any part of the Derivative Works". Given that whirr is
>> only including a single jar - from voldemort itself, not
>> jetty/junit/etc... would it not be correct to say that these other
>> notices do not pertain to whirr's use?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Patrick
>>
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