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From Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator
Date Wed, 21 Dec 2011 02:11:12 GMT
I'd prefer to see Apache Flex voted on by itself, without tying the
contribution to Falcon. I suspect there are more than enough people who are
willing to have a go atbthisbwithout Falcon.

Let's not strive for a perfect contribution from Adobe, and miss an
opportunity for an excellent contribution.

Cheers,
-g
On Dec 20, 2011 9:01 PM, "Raju Bitter" <rajubitter@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Alex,
>
> I have been watching this recording of a session in the Flex Summit a week
> ago:
>
> http://tv.adobe.com/watch/flex-community-summit-december-2011/open-discussion-about-falcon-and-falconjs/
>
> Greg DeMichillie, Sr. Director of Product Management, and Danny
> Winokur, VP/GM Interactive Business Unit are leading the discussion,
> and in that discussion the conclusion seems to be that it makes sense
> to contribute the unfinished Falcon compiler work to Apache. Falcon is
> the next version of the ActionScript/MXML compiler for Flex, and will
> bring performance improvements of 10 x to ActionScript compilation.
>
> The result of that discussion seems to be that
> 1) The community should get access to the Falcon compiler BEFORE it
> will be released.
> 2) There is enough interest in the community to help Adobe finish the
> Falcon ActionScript compiler.
> 3) The community might be responsible for finishing the MXML ->
> ActionScript compilation unit of Falcon.
>
> I'll try to reach out to Deepa Subramaniam to see if there has been a
> decision made by now on the Falcon topic, but it might be easier for
> you to reach out to Greg or Danny directly to see what the status is.
> If Falcon would be contributed to Apache before the work has been
> finished, that should be included in the proposal.
>
> Best,
> Raju
>
> 2011/12/21 Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com>:
> > Responses inline:
> >
> >
> > On 12/20/11 12:30 PM, "Raju Bitter" <rajubitter@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Alex,
> >>
> >> re-reading the proposal, a few other questions came to my mind:
> >>
> >> 1) Flash Player SDK
> >> What are you referring to, when listing the "Adobe Flash Player SDK"
> >> under "External Dependencies". The Adobe website says:
> >> http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer_sdk/
> >> "Sorry, page not available", and then:
> >>> As of October 1, 2007, the Macromedia® Flash® Player 7 SDK will no
> >>> longer be available. The migration path for the Flash Player 7 SDK
> >>> is Adobe® Flash Lite  3.
> >>> The Adobe Flash Lite 3 runtime provides mobile and consumer electronics
> >>> device manufacturers the ability to deliver the most engaging mobile
> >>> experiences  across devices.
> >> Does the Flash Player SDK still exist as a product?
> > I guess not.  The main thing we need is a file called playerglobal.swc
> which
> > is on the FlashPlayer downloads page.  I had seen it referenced as the
> Flash
> > Player SDK at one time, but it looks like that is no longer true.  I will
> > double-check and then update the proposal.
> >>
> >> 2) Action Script Virtual Machine (AVM)
> >> In November 2006 Adobe open source the Flash Player Script engine:
> >> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/press/mozilla-2006-11-07.html
> >> Is the source code of Tamarin still the current version of the Action
> >> Script Virtual Machine in Flash Player 11? If there is a new version of
> >> the AVM (2+), will that be contributed to the Apache Software Foundation
> >> as well?
> >>
> >> It doesn't really make sense to only contribute a compiler, if there is
> >> no open source implementation of a runtime/scripting engine available,
> >> but that might only be my personal view. If the community would decide
> >> to create a an open standards based runtime for Flex, would that mean
> >> the community would have to start from zero?
> > This proposal is about Adobe Flex which is separate from Tamarin.  And
> > separate from the future of Tamarin.  I cannot speak to anything related
> to
> > Tamarin.
> >>
> >> 3) Commercial support for Apache Flex
> >> Does Adobe plan to offer support for an Apache Flex product? If yes,
> >> what kind of support would be planned. I read somewhere that Adobe will
> >> not offer any support for Flex 4.6+ to new customers, but I'm not sure,
> >> if that's still the current plan.
> > Adobe is not currently planning to offer support for Flex released from
> > Apache, but that could change.
> >>
> >> 4) Flash Player
> >> Are there any plans to open source a stripped-down version of Flash
> >> Player, e.g. the discontinued version of Flash Player for mobile) in the
> >> future (similar to the pure open source Flex SDK vs. the commercial
> >> SDK)? The Apache community could continue working on a browser-based
> >> mobile runtime for Apache Flex, if that was the case.
> > This proposal is about Adobe Flex which, while it runs in the Flash
> Player,
> > is separate from the Flash Player.  I cannot speak to any plans related
> to
> > the Flash Player.
> >>
> >> I hope I don't sound to skeptical here, but Adobe Flex is quite
> >> different from most Apache projects I've been in contact with. It's a
> >> powerful compiler with an interesting language, but it looks like the
> >> output of the compiler can only be used with Adobe-owned proprietary
> >> software at the moment.
> > This proposal is about Adobe Flex which in my mind is largely the
> > ActionScript source code that forms a framework that enables folks to
> easily
> > and quickly produce useful applications.  The compiler source we are
> > donating in this proposal is actually being superceded by a whole new
> > compiler code base in a project at Adobe called Falcon that will likely
> be
> > donated to Apache later.  Given that Tamarin is open source and the SWF
> file
> > format is public, I don't think there is much to stop someone else from
> > creating their own SWF player.  So while the current reality is that
> these
> > SWFs only run in Adobe-owned players, I don't think there is a technical
> > reason for it.
> >>
> >> Raju
> >>
> >>> Hi everyone,
> >>>
> >>> I would like to propose Flex to be an Apache Incubator project.
> >>>
> >>> Here's a link to the proposal:
> >>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/FlexProposal
> >>>
> >>> Thank you,
> >>>
> >>> Alex Harui
> >>> Flex SDK Team
> >>> Adobe Systems, Inc.
> >>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
> >>>
> >>>
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> >
> > --
> > Alex Harui
> > Flex SDK Team
> > Adobe Systems, Inc.
> > http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
> >
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