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From Marcel Offermans <marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE] Release ace version 0.8.1-incubator subprojects
Date Thu, 08 Dec 2011 18:52:16 GMT
On Dec 8, 2011, at 19:23 PM, Karl Pauls wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 6:17 PM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 8 December 2011 16:54, Karl Pauls <karlpauls@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:17 PM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 8 December 2011 15:28, Karl Pauls <karlpauls@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 4:21 PM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 8 December 2011 14:30, Karl Pauls <karlpauls@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 1:08 PM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8 December 2011 10:39, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8 December 2011 10:14, Karl Pauls <karlpauls@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The vote on "Release ace version 0.8.1-incubator
subprojects" has been
>>>>>>>>>> running for 72h and we didn't see any more votes
from IPMC members
>>>>>>>>>> other than the 4 votes we already have from the vote
on the ace dev
>>>>>>>>>> list. Given that this release was created specifically
because some
>>>>>>>>>> issues with our last release where causing some debate
on our "should
>>>>>>>>>> we ask for graduation" vote I really would have hoped
that we get some
>>>>>>>>>> feedback on this one -- hence,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm not saying this is a big factor in the lack of response,
but
>>>>>>>>> normally votes include all the relevant information in
the e-mail.
>>>>>>>>> In this case one has to go digging through another e-mail
(using an
>>>>>>>>> offsite link as well) to find the details.
>>>>>>>>> The easier it is made for users, the more likely they
are to respond.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm copying the details below in case that helps anyone
else:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ===============================
>>>>>>>>> After our community graduation vote lead to a lengthy
discussion about
>>>>>>>>> the 0.8.0-incubator release we did, we decided to roll
a new ACE
>>>>>>>>> release, based on the original release.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> In the release we fix the issue that our previous source
artifacts did
>>>>>>>>> not contain a pom.xml so building them was hard. You
can now download
>>>>>>>>> a single, or all sources, and build them with a single
command. Also,
>>>>>>>>> we added an extra artifact that contains the full source
code, which
>>>>>>>>> is there for convenience in case someone wants to download
all the
>>>>>>>>> sources and start developing from there. We did that
in a way that is
>>>>>>>>> somewhat similar to Sling, but instead of using svn:externals
we used
>>>>>>>>> Maven to generate this artifact (for more see the README.txt
inside
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.release.full 0.8.1-incubator) -- hence,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I would like to call a vote on the following ace 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> subproject releases:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ace-pom 0.8.1-incubator org.apache.ace.client.automation
>>>>>>>>> 0.8.1-incubator org.apache.ace.client.repository.api
0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.client.repository.helper.base 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.client.repository.helper.bundle 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.client.repository.helper.configuration
0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.client.repository.helper.user 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.client.repository.impl 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.client.repository.useradmin 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.configurator 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.configurator.serveruseradmin 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.configurator.useradmin.task 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.consolelogger 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.deployment.api 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.deployment.deploymentadmin 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.deployment.provider.api 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.deployment.provider.base 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.deployment.provider.filebased 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.deployment.provider.repositorybased 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.deployment.servlet 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.deployment.streamgenerator 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.deployment.task 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.discovery.api 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.discovery.property 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.discovery.upnp 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.gateway.log 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.gateway.log.store 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.httplistener 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.identification.api 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.identification.ifconfig 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.identification.property 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.launcher 0.8.1-incubator org.apache.ace.location.upnp
>>>>>>>>> 0.8.1-incubator org.apache.ace.log 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.log.listener 0.8.1-incubator org.apache.ace.log.servlet
>>>>>>>>> 0.8.1-incubator org.apache.ace.log.task 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.managementagent 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.nodelauncher.amazon 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.nodelauncher.api 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.nodelauncher.ui 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.obr.metadata 0.8.1-incubator org.apache.ace.obr.servlet
>>>>>>>>> 0.8.1-incubator org.apache.ace.obr.storage 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.range.api 0.8.1-incubator org.apache.ace.release.full
>>>>>>>>> 0.8.1-incubator org.apache.ace.repository.api 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.repository.ext 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.repository.impl 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.repository.servlet 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.repository.task 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.resourceprocessor.useradmin 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.scheduler 0.8.1-incubator org.apache.ace.scheduler.api
>>>>>>>>> 0.8.1-incubator org.apache.ace.server.action 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.server.action.popupmessage 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.server.log.store 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.tageditor 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.target.defaults 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.target.devgateway 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.target.devserver 0.8.1-incubator org.apache.ace.util
>>>>>>>>> 0.8.1-incubator org.apache.ace.webconsole.plugin 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.ace.webui.vaadin 0.8.1-incubator
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Staging repositories:
>>>>>>>>> https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapacheace-259/
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Tags: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ace/releases/
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hard work checking/downloading those, as the directory still
contains
>>>>>>>> the 0.8.0 tags.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Verify: You can download the keys used to sign the release
from:
>>>>>>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ace/trunk/KEYS
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Download: You can use this UNIX script to download the
release and
>>>>>>>>> verify the signatures:
>>>>>>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ace/trunk/check_staged_release.sh
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Usage: sh check_staged_release.sh 259 /tmp/ace-staging
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Build: Find the source-release.{zip|tar.gz} in the /tmp/ace-staging
>>>>>>>>> and follow the README.txt. If you want to build all in
one go, start
>>>>>>>>> with: /tmp/ace-staging/259/org/apache/ace/org.apache.ace.release.full/0.8.1-incubator/org.apache.ace.release.full-0.8.1-incubator.zip
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Get all source and build with one download:
>>>>>>>>> https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapacheace-259/org/apache/ace/org.apache.ace.release.full/0.8.1-incubator/org.apache.ace.release.full-0.8.1-incubator.zip
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This does not actually contain everything in the releases/
folder
>>>>>>>> tree; it does not contain the contents of
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ace/releases/org.apache.ace.release.full-0.8.1-incubator/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> No, it does not contain that one as it is the result of that
one. If
>>>>>>> you look at the:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapacheace-259/org/apache/ace/org.apache.ace.release.full/0.8.1-incubator/org.apache.ace.release.full-0.8.1-incubator-source-release.zip
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> source release of it then you can see that we released its source
as well.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It does contain lots of files that don't appear to be in
SVN, for
>>>>>>>> example velocity.log and DISCLAIMER/NOTICE/LICENSE
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> They are either in the tags or they are generated by maven during
a
>>>>>>> release/build. They don't have to be in svn as we don't release
svn.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> SVN provides traceability; a random collection of source files in
a
>>>>>> zip would be very difficult to trace back to the originals.
>>>>>> AIUI that's one reason why source releases should only contain files
>>>>>> that are in SVN or directly derived therefrom.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I agree, and that is the case.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> AFAICT the velocity.log files are just noise, and could be excluded
>>>>>> (not a blocker).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, they are.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> However, they are generated if you build/release what is inside
svn.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> There is also a top-level pom.xml which does not appear to
be in the SVN tags
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Same thing, it is generated upon release based on what is in
svn. In
>>>>>>> this case, it is based on:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ace/releases/org.apache.ace.release.full-0.8.1-incubator/src/main/resources/release-reactor.xml
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think your confusion is that it is a combined source artifact
along
>>>>>>> the line of what sling is doing. We had some discussions on the
>>>>>>> approach:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://apache.markmail.org/thread/4hloen52iewblpqs
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It is there for convenience in case someone wants to download
all the
>>>>>>> sources in one go and start developing from there. We did that
in a
>>>>>>> way that is somewhat similar to Sling, but instead of using
>>>>>>> svn:externals we used Maven to generate this artifact (for more
see
>>>>>>> the README.txt inside org.apache.ace.release.full 0.8.1-incubator).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [BTW, that is rather hard to read, owing to very long lines - max
>>>>>> nearly 525 chars.]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So is it possible to start with the combined zip file and produce
all
>>>>>> the artifacts that are stored in the Nexus repo?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes. The only exception is the combining project as well, which is
>>>>> part of the release (see previous mail) but not included in the
>>>>> combined zip file it produces.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Or are there additional files that would need to be obtained from
SVN?
>>>>> 
>>>>> No. It is self-contained.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just tried "mvn install" on the zip, and it failed with:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [INFO] Building Apache ACE :: Log :: Listener
>>>>>> [INFO]    task-segment: [install]
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> The system is out of resources.
>>>>>> Consult the following stack trace for details.
>>>>>> java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: PermGen space
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> [INFO] Final Memory: 65M/314M
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What Maven settings are needed to build from source?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Depends on your environment etc. For me, it builds out of the box but
>>>>> just in case:
>>>>> 
>>>>> export MAVEN_OPTS=-Xmx1024m
>>>> 
>>>> That fixed it for me; perhaps should be added to README.txt.
>>> 
>>> Yeah, that makes sense.
>>> 
>>>> The NOTICE file seems to have gathered some unnecessary verbiage.
>>>> 
>>>> For example:
>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>> This product includes software developed at
>>>> The Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org/).
>>>> Licensed under the Apache License 2.0.
>>>> <<<
>>>> 
>>>> should be just
>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>> This product includes software developed at
>>>> The Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org/).
>>>> <<<
>>>> 
>>>> Similarly for all the other products - the license details belong in
>>>> the LICENSE file, for example see the httpd versions:
>>>> 
>>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/httpd/trunk/NOTICE
>>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/httpd/trunk/LICENSE
>>>> 
>>>> Httpd don't include 3rd party code using AL 2.0, but this can easily
>>>> be documented by adding a list of products that use the AL 2.0 after
>>>> the license text.
>>>> 
>>>> It's a lot easier for end users if all the 3rd party products are
>>>> listed in the LICENSE file.
>>> 
>>> Yeah, that makes sense.
>>> 
>>>> I could not find the CDDL license.
>>> 
>>> Ups, yes, I see - the LICENSE contains the notice section of the code
>>> under CDDL instead of the CDDL license itself (in the LICENSE see:
>>> Jersey and JSR-250 License). Don't think this is a blocker as it is at
>>> least saying it is licensed under CDDL this way but we need to fix
>>> this to contain the actual CDDL license text for the next release.
>> 
>> Sorry, but I think the problems with the NOTICE and LICENSE file go
>> deeper than that.
>> 
>> For example, for xstream, the license is at:
>> 
>> http://xstream.codehaus.org/license.html
>> 
>> This starts:
>> 
>>>>> 
>> Copyright (c) 2003-2006, Joe Walnes
>> Copyright (c) 2006-2009, XStream Committers
>> All rights reserved.
>> 
>> Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without
>> modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are met:
>> 
>> Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice ...
>> <<<
>> 
>> However, the copy in the LICENSE file omits the first paragraph entirely.
>> Which makes a nonsense of of the third (now second) paragraph as it
>> references a non-existent copyright notice.
> 
> Hm, but that copyright notice is inside the NOTICE.
> 
>> The LICENSE file must contain the full license; the NOTICE file should
>> contain whatever notice is required by the license.
>> 
>> I think the same applies to at least one other entry in the license
>> file (knoplerfish)
> 
> Yeah, that seems to be the pattern. Again, the copyright notice is
> there but in the NOTICE. The licenses in the LICENSE files are missing
> the copyright header.

Summarizing this, for both XStream and Knopflerfish we only redistribute them in binary form.
It requires us to:
1) "reproduce the above copyright notice"
As Karl states, we do that in the NOTICE file.
2) "reproduce this list of conditions"
We do, in the LICENSE file.
3) "the following disclaimer"
We do, in the LICENSE file.
The text further clarifies: "...in the documentation and/or the materials provided with the
distribution". We do that.

I agree completely that this can be improved and I'll go and fix it in trunk asap - that should
be enough, right?

>> In the case of dual licensed files (Jersey and JSR-250 License) the
>> NOTICE file should clearly state which one is being used, e.g.
>> 
>>>> :>
>> This product includes xxx from Oracle
>> The software is included under the CDDL License.
>> <<<
> 
> It does:
> 
> This product includes software developed at Oracle.
> Copyright (c) 2010 Oracle and/or its affiliates.
> Licensed under the CDDL.
> 
> regards,
> 
> Karl
> 
>> 
>>> regards,
>>> 
>>> Karl
>>> 
>>>>> export JAVA_HOME=<path-to-java6-sdk-home>
>>>>> 
>>>>> regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Karl
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Please vote to approve this release:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> [ ] +1 Approve the release
>>>>>>>>> [ ] -1 Veto the release (please provide specific comments)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ===============================
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to give it another 24h but if I don't see
any other votes
>>>>>>>>>> nor any request for more time (as I appreciate that
it is a big
>>>>>>>>>> release) I'm going to call this vote successful based
on the 4 IPMC
>>>>>>>>>> member votes we did already get. In that case, however,
I don't want
>>>>>>>>>> to see it debated again during graduation i.e., speak
now or forever
>>>>>>>>>> hold your peace.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Karl Pauls <karlpauls@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> This is the second release of the ace incubator
project called ace
>>>>>>>>>>> version 0.8.1-incubator subprojects releases.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> For details of the release see the original vote
thread:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://markmail.org/thread/bxk47uzt7dzbajir
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> We have already received 4 binding IPMC votes
during the PPMC voting
>>>>>>>>>>> below. I'd like to continue the vote on general@
now to get the IPMC
>>>>>>>>>>> approval -- hence,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Please vote to approve this release.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Karl Pauls <karlpauls@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Time to call the vote on the ace version
0.8.1-incubator subprojects releases.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> * +1 votes from Marcel Offermans***, Jean-Baptiste
Onofré***, Toni
>>>>>>>>>>>> Menzel*, Bram de Kruijff, Angelo van der
Sijpt*, Carsten Ziegeler***,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and Karl Pauls***.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> * No other votes
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> The vote is successful. I will approach the
Incubator PMC for approval.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> * == PPMC
>>>>>>>>>>>> ** == IPMC
>>>>>>>>>>>> *** == PPMC + IPMC
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Karl Pauls
>>>>>>>>>> karlpauls@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/karlpauls
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlpauls
>>>>>>>>>> https://profiles.google.com/karlpauls
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Karl Pauls
>>>>>>> karlpauls@gmail.com
>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/karlpauls
>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlpauls
>>>>>>> https://profiles.google.com/karlpauls
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Karl Pauls
>>>>> karlpauls@gmail.com
>>>>> http://twitter.com/karlpauls
>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlpauls
>>>>> https://profiles.google.com/karlpauls
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