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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:54:36 +0000
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Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator
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To try that I just went to the ACE downloads page which has a bunch of
jars and source jars to download, i downloaded the source of the first
one, org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator-sources.jar, and
looking inside there is the source to some Java classes but no build
scripts or pom.xml file, so how would I go about building this?

   ...ant

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Karl Pauls <karlpauls@gmail.com> wrote:
> Again, we had this discussion before namely, when the actual release
> vote happened. I'm still confused why we have to go through this
> again. You should be able to build all of the components by using the
> -source.jar's that are provided. They contain what is necessary i.e.,
> the full source.
>
> regards,
>
> Karl
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:30 PM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 17 November 2011 12:29, Karl Pauls <karlpauls@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm not sure what this has to do with the graduation vote. The release
>>> as such has been accepted by the incubator pmc and there only need to
>>> be one release. The source for each artifact is there, it is just per
>>> artifact in the -source.jar.
>>
>> AFAICT the full source (as in SVN trunk) is not actually present in
>> the distribution directory.
>>
>> For example, where are the top-level files in SVN (BUILDING, README) ?
>> And the etc/ directory?
>>
>> If I wanted to build any or all of the components, there does not
>> appear to be a way to do this from the files in the distribution.
>>
>>> There might be different set-up then a lot of other projects have it
>>> but we release our stuff on a per artifact basis how it is done by for
>>> example Apache Felix as well and never has been an issue (and didn't
>>> become unmanageably either - =A0also ymmv).
>>
>> The ASF primarily releases source; releases must include full source.
>>
>>> I agree about the KEYS file. We should have uploaded it to the dist
>>> dir as well but at least we have it at some place so it should be easy
>>> to fix.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> Karl
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:07 PM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 17 November 2011 10:42, Marcel Offermans <marcel.offermans@luminis.=
nl> wrote:
>>>>> In my opinion, ACE is ready to begin the process of graduating from t=
he Apache Incubator to a Top Level Project.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since joining the incubator in in May 2009 we've added 4 new committe=
rs (12 in total now) from diverse organizations and did a release in May th=
is year to demonstrate we follow the Apache guidelines. We've shown an abil=
ity to self-govern using accepted Apache practices and ACE continues to att=
ract new contributors and users.
>>>>>
>>>>> The first step is to vote as a community, demonstrating that ACE is r=
eady and willing to graduate. Once this vote is succesful we create a board=
 resolution proposal or Charter and start a vote on the general incubator l=
ist. The full process is described at http://incubator.apache.org/guides/gr=
aduation.html#toplevel
>>>>>
>>>>> The vote is open for at least 72 hours.
>>>>
>>>> The last (and only) release was 0.8, as far as I can tell.
>>>>
>>>> There is no KEYS file in http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ace/,
>>>> and there does not appear to be a full source archive of the project
>>>> anywhere.
>>>> The download page does not have a link to any source archives as far
>>>> as I can tell.
>>>> It does link to KEYS in SVN, but almost all other ASF projects have a
>>>> copy of KEYS in the appropriate /dist directory.
>>>>
>>>> Normally releases are divided into binaries/ and source/ directories,
>>>> with a KEYS file in the top-level, i.e.
>>>>
>>>> /dist/incubator/ace
>>>> - KEYS
>>>> - binaries/ace ....zip
>>>> - sources/ace....zip
>>>>
>>>> Most of the files in the /dist/incubator/ace directory appear to be
>>>> Maven artifacts; normally these are not stored in /dist but only in
>>>> the Maven repo.
>>>> Indeed most of the files are also in Maven Central. The only non-Maven
>>>> files appear to be
>>>>
>>>> org.apache.ace.target.devgateway-0.8.0-incubator-distribution.zip
>>>> org.apache.ace.target.devserver-0.8.0-incubator-distribution.zip
>>>>
>>>> neither of which contains the source.
>>>>
>>>> I would expect the above zips to be in
>>>>
>>>> /dist/incubator/ace/binaries
>>>>
>>>> with corresponding source files in
>>>>
>>>> /dist/incubator/ace/source
>>>>
>>>> The SVN layout [1] is also a bit unusual.
>>>> There is no tags/ directory for release tags, although there is a
>>>> releases/ directory containing individual entries for each release for
>>>> each component.
>>>> This is likely to become unmanageable very quickly, if every release
>>>> adds another 63 directory entries under releases/
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ace/
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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