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Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:40:44 +0100
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Hello Ant,

On Nov 17, 2011, at 16:56 PM, ant elder wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Karl Pauls <karlpauls@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:38 PM, ant elder <ant.elder@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Karl Pauls <karlpauls@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>>>> Again, I'm not against doing things differently for future release
>>>> (and the reason this release looks like it does is because that is
>>>> configured like this in the apache-parent iirc). However, I'm still
>>>> confused what all of this has to do with the graduation proposal =
vote
>>>> and why this has to be on general@.
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> I think why its come up here now is because part of judging if a
>>> poddling is ready to graduate is if they understand how to make and
>>> review ASF releases properly. And with whats be said here and how =
the
>>> source has to be built i'm wondering if anyone who voted +1 for the
>>> release would have actually tried to build any of the source.
>>=20
>> I guess the point is: are you arguing that the release should not
>> haven been accepted by the incubator in the first place on the =
grounds
>> that you find it hard to build and hence, you want to see a new one
>> before the we can vote on approaching the incubator for a graduation?
>=20
> I'm not arguing anything yet. Some valid comments and questions were
> made in the vote thread, you asked why they were happening here and i
> tried to answer that. The Incubator people should have an opportunity
> to discuss a graduation, perhaps some of that might be better on a
> graduation discussion thread but there wasn't one of those before the
> vote.

Starting with that last remark, the vote that was started earlier today =
is the "Community Graduation Vote" where we as the ACE community vote to =
confirm that we are ready and willing to start the graduation process =
(as explained here =
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-community-vote). =
Before that, on the ACE list, and in the last board report, we already =
expressed that we feel we're ready to graduate. Whilst I don't mind =
adding a step before this one in the graduation guide, I am not aware of =
skipping a step in the process.

> The release does look a bit dubious to me.

Point taken, we appreciate all the feedback and will take that into =
account when doing the next release.

Greetings, Marcel


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