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Subject: Re: should podlings have informal chairs?
From: Marcel Offermans <marcel.offermans@luminis.nl>
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Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 11:13:13 +0100
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On Nov 21, 2011, at 9:59 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> On 21 November 2011 08:42, Robert Burrell Donkin
> <robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Brett Porter <brett@apache.org> =
wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>=20
>>> Some time back we moved to having 3 mentors, which had the positive =
of more hands and enough binding votes, but the downside of no single =
person "on the hook" for a podling's reporting and progress towards =
graduation.
>>>=20
>>> Should we appoint one of the mentors at the start to be the "chair" =
of the PPMC, in the same way as a full project? I would see them as =
responsible for ensuring the podling is reporting, and that all of the =
mentors are engaged and signing off the reports.
>>>=20
>>> As the podling matures, this role could be transitioned to the =
person who will be nominated as the chair of the project after it =
graduates, if they are ready for that.
>>>=20
>>> What do others think?
>>=20
>> I think appointing a chair in the early stages is likely to work
>> against building a community of peers.
>=20
> I agree, especially if that "chair" is also a mentor. Mentors are not
> supposed to *do* only to *guide*.

Agreed, there should be no need to appoint one of the three mentors to =
become responsible. They should all be.

I'm fairly neutral on appointing one of the members of the project, with =
a slight preference to not do that and see if a natural leader emerges. =
The mentors could monitor this, and if nobody within the project "steps =
up" that could be a (soft) criterium for not yet letting the project =
graduate.

> On the other hand, I do think the original point of none of the three
> mentors being responsible is a problem.

Shouldn't mentors, of all people, be able to figure this out amongst =
themselves and lead by example here (without too many rules)?

>> I think that establishing a chair once community has self-organised
>> would be a good idea.
>=20
> Not before graduation. I have seen, in a number of podlings, that the
> obvious choice of a chair half way through graduation (for example) is
> often not the same choice at the end of graduation.

+1 for letting this evolve naturally and only choosing at graduation.

Greetings, Marcel


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