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From Christian Grobmeier <>
Subject Re: Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem, or does the Incubator sometimes just make it look that way?
Date Sat, 26 Nov 2011 10:10:59 GMT
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
<> wrote:
>> +1
>> And while we are at it, reduce Roles and Rules to a minimum.
> Pruning is always useful but when the Incubator ran with fewer rules
> and roles, the process ran much less smoothly which took much more
> energy to supervise. I'm not sure that there's enough energy to
> supervise so many projects without a smooth process.

The process is not smooth, thats why more rules are currently in
discussion. Supervising has already failed in some projects. Adding
these new rules do not necessary mean that supervising is better;
actually I doubt (and have said so).

Have not seen a pruning recently. My feeling is we are adding more and
more rules to a huge rule framework. And it feels always the same
people are adding these rules and no one can stop them (not meant as
an insult). This is what frustrates me very much and will prevent me
actually to waste more energy in rules/politics discussions.

I have no suggestions how to do better at the moment. But adding more
and more rules cannot be the solution. I mean this is no fun. We are
acting like a company more and more. The time you need to understand,
teach and develop this rules are not to underestimate. We even have a
code of conduct. That all is no prime time stuff anymore and no fun.
And in my world, Open Source is not only a business model, it is fun
at first place. And this means, less but efficient rules.

We should try to get back to a minimum, not to a maximum of rules.

who is very frustrated at the recent developments on the ASF.


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