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From sebb <seb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: should podlings have informal chairs?
Date Tue, 22 Nov 2011 02:36:00 GMT
On 22 November 2011 00:42, Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Sam,
>>>
>>> Do you see any validity in my theory that the ipmc is so large and
>>> diffuse as to be directionless?
>>
>> I don't see that as a necessary consequence.  The ASF is large and
>> diffuse, yet each month we pretty consistently get 6+ Directors to
>> review and sign off on each report.  The board is careful to not set
>> technical direction, but we do create and track action items, and work
>> to make sure that the individual PMCs are self-governing and get the
>> help that they need from the relevant board committees.
>
> Compare, if you would, the board of six to the ipmc. There aren't six,
> or sixteen, ipmc members who feel it's their job to review every PPMC
> report before the whole business goes to the board. There's a chair,
> who due to his volunteer status like the rest of us, shows more or
> less engagement with the goings-on on this mailing list at different
> times.
>
> The ipmc more or less delegates to the mentors, and passes the PPMC
> reports up to the board, with not much digestive activity in between.
> In this sense I guess I'm trying to agree with you, but I wonder how
> to get a giant committee of people, most of whom signed up just to
> mentor one project, to actually step up and exercise more oversight.
> Of course we've got a few people like Sebb who try to stay on top of
> everything.
>
> Since there are only six board members, they all know that they,
> themselves, have to read this stuff and think about it. If there were
> 106, I doubt that anything would get attended to unless a subset were
> somehow tasked. So I suppose that I'm trying to float the idea that,
> somehow, less than the full ipmc needs to focus. I suppose that the
> committee could create a category of meta-mentor, and people who sign
> up for that role would be signing up to read all the reports and
> perhaps even look over the shoulders a bit of the projects.
>
> Should I believe
> http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#incubator-pmc that
> there are 878 ipmc members, or is this some sort of ldap artifact?

I count 154, which agrees with the number of entries in committee-info.txt.

I don't know where your figure of 878 comes from.

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