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From sebb <seb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem, or does the Incubator sometimes just make it look that way?
Date Thu, 24 Nov 2011 16:07:29 GMT
On 24 November 2011 15:18, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Coordination problems (getting everyone here on the same page)
> require community documentation and constant pointers to said
> documentation in order to be fully resolved.
>
> Whenever we find ourselves making contradicting statements over
> time, the healthy thing to do is to put together such a document
> on the wiki or on the site that explains what happened and how
> we resolved it.

Indeed, that is mainly why Ant and I raised questions on board@ about
what a release means, and for clarifications on the Release FAQ.

Unfortunately, there was no definitive conclusion to the thread, and
no clarifications of the FAQ.

>
> Simply referring to past emails here is inconclusive at best
> unless they are comments from the chair.

+1

> YMMV
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com>
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 10:14 AM
>> Subject: Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem, or does the Incubator sometimes just
make it look that way?
>>
>> When the hot air manufacturers start ragging on us, one of the usual
>> tags that they paint is 'rules' and 'bureaucracy'. If you read
>> general@, you will see a fairly regular occurrence that feeds this
>> perception.
>>
>> Someone poses a question about NOTICE files, or IP, or release structure.
>>
>> If they are lucky, they get 3 disagreeing responses in short order.
>> Why lucky? Because that gives them a clue that perhaps none of them
>> are the right answer. If they are unlucky, they get a one answer,
>> confidently worded. And then they put in hours of work based on that
>> answer.
>>
>> Time passes. A release, or even a graduation vote arrives. Suddenly,
>> some crusty veteran arrives on the scene to tell them that what
>> they've done is wrong, or inadequate, or purple.
>>
>> This is not precisely wonderful from a PR standpoint.
>>
>> What can we do as a PMC to improve this?
>>
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