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From sebb <seb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [OT] Hoover is not an adjective, was: Re: [VOTE] Release Apache opennlp-1.5.2-incubating-rc5
Date Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:39:01 GMT
On 16 November 2011 14:32, Thilo Goetz <twgoetz@gmx.de> wrote:
> On 15/11/11 03:22, Benson Margulies wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:20 PM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 15 November 2011 02:12, Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> That page is very misleading, and there was a long discussion of this
>>>> topic elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>> Look at the example just above the requirement:
>>>>
>>>> "The Apache Xerces XML parsing library is easily configurable and
>>>> compliant with current standards"
>>>>
>>>> Yes, in some sense, Xerces is an adjective there, but really what the
>>>> senator is trying to say is to construct a particular noun phrase.
>>>
>>> AIUI, trademarks need to be used as if they are adjectives.
>>>
>>> For example:
>>>
>>> The Hoover vacuum cleaner is versatile
>>> NOT
>>> The Hoover is a versatile vacuum cleaner
>>
>> I think I've just discovered that I'm too tired to type. I agree:
>> that's an adjective. However, it's really very hard to make sense of
>> the requirement without the example, either what you just sent or
>> what's on the page.
>>
>
> See subject line.
>
> Feel free to completely ignore this, but the linguist in me
> couldn't let this go ;-).  You can verify this by trying to
> stick another adjective between Hoover and the rest.  Just
> like "car" in "car door" is not an adjective (compare "green
> car door" vs. "car green door"), Hoover is not an adjective
> in "Hoover vacuum cleaner" (and neither is vacuum).

Not sure possible word order is relevant/conclusive.

> This might explain why people in a project like OpenNLP are
> confused by that sentence on the trademarks page.

The point is that the mark must be *used as* an adjective.

I think this was previously called an adjectival noun, it now seems to
be called "noun adjunct":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noun_adjunct

What do you suggest the trademarks page should say in order to make it clearer?

> --Thilo
>
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