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From sebb <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator
Date Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:30:07 GMT
On 17 November 2011 12:29, Karl Pauls <> wrote:
> I'm not sure what this has to do with the graduation vote. The release
> as such has been accepted by the incubator pmc and there only need to
> be one release. The source for each artifact is there, it is just per
> artifact in the -source.jar.

AFAICT the full source (as in SVN trunk) is not actually present in
the distribution directory.

For example, where are the top-level files in SVN (BUILDING, README) ?
And the etc/ directory?

If I wanted to build any or all of the components, there does not
appear to be a way to do this from the files in the distribution.

> There might be different set-up then a lot of other projects have it
> but we release our stuff on a per artifact basis how it is done by for
> example Apache Felix as well and never has been an issue (and didn't
> become unmanageably either -  also ymmv).

The ASF primarily releases source; releases must include full source.

> I agree about the KEYS file. We should have uploaded it to the dist
> dir as well but at least we have it at some place so it should be easy
> to fix.
> regards,
> Karl
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:07 PM, sebb <> wrote:
>> On 17 November 2011 10:42, Marcel Offermans <> wrote:
>>> In my opinion, ACE is ready to begin the process of graduating from the Apache
Incubator to a Top Level Project.
>>> Since joining the incubator in in May 2009 we've added 4 new committers (12 in
total now) from diverse organizations and did a release in May this year to demonstrate we
follow the Apache guidelines. We've shown an ability to self-govern using accepted Apache
practices and ACE continues to attract new contributors and users.
>>> The first step is to vote as a community, demonstrating that ACE is ready and
willing to graduate. Once this vote is succesful we create a board resolution proposal or
Charter and start a vote on the general incubator list. The full process is described at
>>> The vote is open for at least 72 hours.
>> The last (and only) release was 0.8, as far as I can tell.
>> There is no KEYS file in,
>> and there does not appear to be a full source archive of the project
>> anywhere.
>> The download page does not have a link to any source archives as far
>> as I can tell.
>> It does link to KEYS in SVN, but almost all other ASF projects have a
>> copy of KEYS in the appropriate /dist directory.
>> Normally releases are divided into binaries/ and source/ directories,
>> with a KEYS file in the top-level, i.e.
>> /dist/incubator/ace
>> - KEYS
>> - binaries/ace
>> - sources/
>> Most of the files in the /dist/incubator/ace directory appear to be
>> Maven artifacts; normally these are not stored in /dist but only in
>> the Maven repo.
>> Indeed most of the files are also in Maven Central. The only non-Maven
>> files appear to be
>> neither of which contains the source.
>> I would expect the above zips to be in
>> /dist/incubator/ace/binaries
>> with corresponding source files in
>> /dist/incubator/ace/source
>> The SVN layout [1] is also a bit unusual.
>> There is no tags/ directory for release tags, although there is a
>> releases/ directory containing individual entries for each release for
>> each component.
>> This is likely to become unmanageable very quickly, if every release
>> adds another 63 directory entries under releases/
>> [1]
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