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From Robert Burrell Donkin <>
Subject Re: Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem, or does the Incubator sometimes just make it look that way?
Date Sat, 26 Nov 2011 09:38:00 GMT
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Christian Grobmeier
<> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> <> wrote:
>> On Thursday, November 24, 2011, Benson Margulies wrote:
>>> ...Someone poses a question about NOTICE files, or IP, or release
>> structure.
>>> If they are lucky, they get 3 disagreeing responses in short order...
>> ROFL - so

Judges on the US Supreme court have a life time of legal experience.
They rarely agree.

The best way to improve Apache policy making around licensing and
releases is to dive in and get involved.

Copyright law around open source licensing is now well understood. Do
some research, get up to speed and start working on issues. If more
Incubator people set aside just a couple of hours a week to get
involved with resolving licensing then the situation would improve

>>> What can we do as a PMC to improve this?...
>> Review and improve the docs - and I think this means
>> reducing them to the bare minimum so that we're able to maintain them with
>> our limited manpower, and pointing to docs as much as possible
>> instead of repeating things.

In principle, probably yes. In practice, the Apache site has been
troubled for many years by lack of energy.

> +1
> And while we are at it, reduce Roles and Rules to a minimum.

Pruning is always useful but when the Incubator ran with fewer rules
and roles, the process ran much less smoothly which took much more
energy to supervise. I'm not sure that there's enough energy to
supervise so many projects without a smooth process.


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