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From Ross Gardler <rgard...@opendirective.com>
Subject RE: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator" (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)
Date Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:25:43 GMT
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On Nov 24, 2011 5:59 PM, "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
wrote:
>
> I understand about PMC chairs, but I thought that is for a TLP and
happens at
> Podling graduation.

The official role of PMC  chair is created upon graduation, yes. But the
responsibilities the role carries start once incubation starts. At present
nobody l owns those responsibilities during graduation.

>
> Having PPMC chairs is a different story, and I hope I was careful not to
> confuse the two.  I also don't want to collapse champion and PPMC chair in
> some way.  I still favor the one and not the other.  I have no need to say
> more about that.
>

I'm confused, and therefore request more info about your concern. The two
roles, as I understand them are essentially the same (once incubation
starts).  I don't see any significant differences and thus don't see any
"collapse" of two roles into one. Can you point to the differences you
perceive?

Ross

> Clarifying the role of champion is certainly a good idea.
>
>  - Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mattmann, Chris A (388J) [mailto:chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov]
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 09:37
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: dennis.hamilton@acm.org
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation
> coordinator" (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)
>
> On Nov 24, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>
> > On 24 November 2011 17:17, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
> > wrote:
> >> I had hoped that the business of a PPMC-member champion being a
VP-elect
> >> would have just gone away.  That coupling is certain to inspire
political
> >> motivation and purpose.
> >>
> >
> > The suggestion below that the PPMC member elected as champion be the
> > eventual VP is just a suggestion that the PPMC elected champion will
> > be the PMC chair when the podling graduates.
>
> Thanks Ross. That's what I was trying to say, just didn't put it as
elegantly
> as you.
>
> Dennis, I get what you're saying and no worries, I'm not saying
> anyone should be an "auto-elect" based on political motivations, or
> based on how loud they scream. What you'll find over time in the ASF
> is that "those who do, decide". I haven't seen a PMC chair (aka eventual
> VP of a project) get elected so far that didn't "do" in some way, and
> that was merely appointed as a political thing.
>
> Not to say that it couldn't happen, I just haven't seen it.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
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