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From Karl Pauls <karlpa...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator
Date Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:55:16 GMT
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Guillaume Nodet <gnodet@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 14:30, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 17 November 2011 12:29, Karl Pauls <karlpauls@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I'm not sure what this has to do with the graduation vote. The release
>> > as such has been accepted by the incubator pmc and there only need to
>> > be one release. The source for each artifact is there, it is just per
>> > artifact in the -source.jar.
>>
>> AFAICT the full source (as in SVN trunk) is not actually present in
>> the distribution directory.
>>
>> For example, where are the top-level files in SVN (BUILDING, README) ?
>> And the etc/ directory?
>>
>> If I wanted to build any or all of the components, there does not
>> appear to be a way to do this from the files in the distribution.
>>
>
> The svn tree is not supposed to be a source distribution so looking at it
> as a buildable thing is not required.
>
>
>> > There might be different set-up then a lot of other projects have it
>> > but we release our stuff on a per artifact basis how it is done by for
>> > example Apache Felix as well and never has been an issue (and didn't
>> > become unmanageably either -  also ymmv).
>>
>> The ASF primarily releases source; releases must include full source.
>>
>
> I agree on the first part, but not the *full* source.
>  @ace you should look at the felix way which always include a source
> distribution for each bundle.

Yeah, we could have configured the source-release, i agree. However, i
don't think that is a show-stopper (as much as it could be anyhow, as
the release already happend) as we have the source and what is need to
build. Another way to get this is to go to the tags at:

http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ace/releases/$subproject

regards,

Karl

>
>>
>> > I agree about the KEYS file. We should have uploaded it to the dist
>> > dir as well but at least we have it at some place so it should be easy
>> > to fix.
>> >
>> > regards,
>> >
>> > Karl
>> >
>> > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:07 PM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On 17 November 2011 10:42, Marcel Offermans <
>> marcel.offermans@luminis.nl> wrote:
>> >>> In my opinion, ACE is ready to begin the process of graduating from
>> the Apache Incubator to a Top Level Project.
>> >>>
>> >>> Since joining the incubator in in May 2009 we've added 4 new
>> committers (12 in total now) from diverse organizations and did a release
>> in May this year to demonstrate we follow the Apache guidelines. We've
>> shown an ability to self-govern using accepted Apache practices and ACE
>> continues to attract new contributors and users.
>> >>>
>> >>> The first step is to vote as a community, demonstrating that ACE is
>> ready and willing to graduate. Once this vote is succesful we create a
>> board resolution proposal or Charter and start a vote on the general
>> incubator list. The full process is described at
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel
>> >>>
>> >>> The vote is open for at least 72 hours.
>> >>
>> >> The last (and only) release was 0.8, as far as I can tell.
>> >>
>> >> There is no KEYS file in http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ace/,
>> >> and there does not appear to be a full source archive of the project
>> >> anywhere.
>> >> The download page does not have a link to any source archives as far
>> >> as I can tell.
>> >> It does link to KEYS in SVN, but almost all other ASF projects have a
>> >> copy of KEYS in the appropriate /dist directory.
>> >>
>> >> Normally releases are divided into binaries/ and source/ directories,
>> >> with a KEYS file in the top-level, i.e.
>> >>
>> >> /dist/incubator/ace
>> >> - KEYS
>> >> - binaries/ace ....zip
>> >> - sources/ace....zip
>> >>
>> >> Most of the files in the /dist/incubator/ace directory appear to be
>> >> Maven artifacts; normally these are not stored in /dist but only in
>> >> the Maven repo.
>> >> Indeed most of the files are also in Maven Central. The only non-Maven
>> >> files appear to be
>> >>
>> >> org.apache.ace.target.devgateway-0.8.0-incubator-distribution.zip
>> >> org.apache.ace.target.devserver-0.8.0-incubator-distribution.zip
>> >>
>> >> neither of which contains the source.
>> >>
>> >> I would expect the above zips to be in
>> >>
>> >> /dist/incubator/ace/binaries
>> >>
>> >> with corresponding source files in
>> >>
>> >> /dist/incubator/ace/source
>> >>
>> >> The SVN layout [1] is also a bit unusual.
>> >> There is no tags/ directory for release tags, although there is a
>> >> releases/ directory containing individual entries for each release for
>> >> each component.
>> >> This is likely to become unmanageable very quickly, if every release
>> >> adds another 63 directory entries under releases/
>> >>
>> >> [1] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ace/
>> >>
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Karl Pauls
>> > karlpauls@gmail.com
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