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From Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacre...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator" (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)
Date Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:14:05 GMT
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:15 AM, Marvin Humphrey <marvin@rectangular.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:28:06PM +0100, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> ...The word "champion" doesn't seem to describe this new role precisely.  A
> "champion" is someone who fights on your behalf -- in the context of a new
> podling vouching for it before the skeptical IPMC membership and serving as
> spokesperson during the proposal phase.  The word "champion" doesn't
> necessarily imply "meta-mentor", which is perhaps one reason why not all
> Champions continue on in that role (with notable exceptions) after the
> proposal phase concludes and incubation begins....

Which is exactly why I suggest extending/clarifying that role. The
word Champion might not be ideal, but we already have it and if you
read http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
it can be understood to include those "new" responsibilities (as Chris
indicates).

So I think the name Champion is good enough and avoids introducing Yet
Another Role.

>... To synthesize several other suggestions:
>
> Perhaps the Incubator can require that an incoming podling have a PVP (Podling
> Vice President) who must be an ASF Member at the time of the proposal.  That
> individual will be responsible for reporting, just as the eventual VP of a
> top-level project would be.
>
> At any time during incubation, the podling may elect a new PVP...

I think your are restating the same goals, using PVP instead of Champion.

Vice President implies power, we don't want to give the impression
that the Champion has any superpowers (reread the thread from which
this one derives) - it's just a coordination role.

-Bertrand

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