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From "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator" (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)
Date Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:37:03 GMT
On Nov 24, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:

> On 24 November 2011 17:17, Dennis E. Hamilton <> wrote:
>> I had hoped that the business of a PPMC-member champion being a VP-elect would have
just gone away.  That coupling is certain to inspire political motivation and purpose.
> The suggestion below that the PPMC member elected as champion be the
> eventual VP is just a suggestion that the PPMC elected champion will
> be the PMC chair when the podling graduates.

Thanks Ross. That's what I was trying to say, just didn't put it as elegantly 
as you.

Dennis, I get what you're saying and no worries, I'm not saying 
anyone should be an "auto-elect" based on political motivations, or
based on how loud they scream. What you'll find over time in the ASF
is that "those who do, decide". I haven't seen a PMC chair (aka eventual 
VP of a project) get elected so far that didn't "do" in some way, and 
that was merely appointed as a political thing. 

Not to say that it couldn't happen, I just haven't seen it.


Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA

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