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From Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: concerns about high overhead in Apache incubator releases
Date Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:05:10 GMT


----- Original Message -----

> From: Robert Burrell Donkin <robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com>
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>; "kafka-dev@incubator.apache.org" <kafka-dev@incubator.apache.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 3:53 PM
> Subject: Re: concerns about high overhead in Apache incubator releases
> 
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
> <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>  On Nov 27, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>  From: Jun Rao <junrao@gmail.com>
>>>>  To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>>>  Cc: kafka-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>  Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 2:13 PM
>>>>  Subject: concerns about high overhead in Apache incubator releases
>>>> 
>>>>  Dear Apache members,
>>> 
>>>  [...]
>>> 
>>>>  2. Different Apache members have different interpretations of the 
> same rule.
>>>>  It seems that there is no consensus on some of the basic rules even 
> among
>>>>  Apache members. For example, what constitutes a source distribution 
> and
>>>>  what should be put in the NOTICE file? Since all it takes is one 
> negative
>>>>  vote to block a release, this increases the turnover rate of RCs.
>>> 
>>>  NO.  The only time someone can claim to hold a veto over a release vote 
> is
>>>  when they are jibberjabbering about legal issues.  NOTICE errors really
>>>  don't risk a lawsuit from anyone, so those -1's are NOT vetoes.
>> 
>>  If Joe didn't send this reply, I was about to myself. Here's 2 IPMC 
> members that
>>  *do* agree on this: Joe is right, VETOs do *not* apply to releases of code.
> 
> Any legal issue serious enough to VETO a release would require code
> access to be blocked and all discussions taken private. Anything short
> of this isn't a VETO.

I wouldn't go that far.  I mean if a podling is trying to ship GPL code or hasn't
completed its IP checklist, it shouldn't be releasing software from the ASF
yet.  Those aren't issues that require privacy.

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