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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <>
Subject RE: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator" (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)
Date Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:58:38 GMT
I understand about PMC chairs, but I thought that is for a TLP and happens at 
Podling graduation.

Having PPMC chairs is a different story, and I hope I was careful not to 
confuse the two.  I also don't want to collapse champion and PPMC chair in 
some way.  I still favor the one and not the other.  I have no need to say 
more about that.

Clarifying the role of champion is certainly a good idea.

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Mattmann, Chris A (388J) []
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 09:37
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation 
coordinator" (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)

On Nov 24, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:

> On 24 November 2011 17:17, Dennis E. Hamilton <> 
> wrote:
>> I had hoped that the business of a PPMC-member champion being a VP-elect 
>> would have just gone away.  That coupling is certain to inspire political 
>> motivation and purpose.
> The suggestion below that the PPMC member elected as champion be the
> eventual VP is just a suggestion that the PPMC elected champion will
> be the PMC chair when the podling graduates.

Thanks Ross. That's what I was trying to say, just didn't put it as elegantly
as you.

Dennis, I get what you're saying and no worries, I'm not saying
anyone should be an "auto-elect" based on political motivations, or
based on how loud they scream. What you'll find over time in the ASF
is that "those who do, decide". I haven't seen a PMC chair (aka eventual
VP of a project) get elected so far that didn't "do" in some way, and
that was merely appointed as a political thing.

Not to say that it couldn't happen, I just haven't seen it.


Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA

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