From general-return-31735-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Mon Oct 10 11:19:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C74A37821 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:19:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 25168 invoked by uid 500); 10 Oct 2011 11:19:07 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 24934 invoked by uid 500); 10 Oct 2011 11:19:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 24926 invoked by uid 99); 10 Oct 2011 11:19:06 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:19:06 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of grobmeier@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.47 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.216.47] (HELO mail-qw0-f47.google.com) (209.85.216.47) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:18:58 +0000 Received: by qadc1 with SMTP id c1so3956175qad.6 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 04:18:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=bCdEwy4GranIL5iRywn5XyZKX/wCmvAzmu9S2Zt5uxk=; b=YdoI6+Fyli9JPX7UEqBUjrw4FJ9Kn29NxW6kuy2qDiwyJsJ9cnM95PORcgfLHKggVT y+3WzzZBoBUTAB2CLuQOsVVO7/q/8UYyuXcRM5IQ6hF+zQFhy7k9bQrWzTT/6kiLX4Ts FuiZwevCL2/AkGGtolDso8oJyP6vZJ8x8iuRs= Received: by 10.224.204.10 with SMTP id fk10mr10398534qab.45.1318245516222; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 04:18:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.223.134 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 04:18:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20111010010235.GC12988@igg.local> From: Christian Grobmeier Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:18:16 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Layout change - remove the right table To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 12:28 PM, sebb wrote: > On 10 October 2011 09:09, Christian Grobmeier wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:58 AM, sebb wrote: >>> On 10 October 2011 02:02, David Crossley wrote: >>>> sebb wrote: >>>>> Christian Grobmeier wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I've not started looking at generating projects/index.xml yet. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Reading the past mails shows me you are +1 to commit the layout >>>>> >>> changes. You are already working on the next steps :-) >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I'm not keen on losing the RH podling list, if that's what you mean; I >>>>> >> think it's useful. >>>>> > >>>>> > You was the only one who said so so far. WIth the bootstrap layout the >>>>> > project/index.html is even more readable than before. >>>> >>>> I reckon that it is important that the list of >>>> current podlings continues to be prominently displayed. >>>> Go to separate tables for further information. >> >> But not on every page. >> It is acceptable to have such a list on the front page, but please not >> on every single page. And if it is on the front page, then not as a >> third, tiny column messing up everything. > > In what way does it mess up everything currently? > > Can you post a screenshot somewhere we can inspect? I meant the website which is currently online. Its functional, but it is ugly and confusing. This is taste of course, but for me it looks like a mess, here are some reasons: - 95+ visible links on a webpage visible navigation is a mess for me. - The list of projects is nothing else than a menu which is opened by default. Two different standard ways (projects/index.html and sidebar) lead to the same information - it is a duplicate navigation. This is a mess to, at least what I have learned about web navigation. Hard to navigate, except you learned it. - Instead we should provide one standard navigation way (as many other websites) and a new idea, we should provide breadcrumbs. - There is even more I would change, now thinking about it: - Entry Guides has just one item: Proposal Guide. proposal guide should be the main item, Entry guides need to be removed. - Entry guides link to http://incubator.apache.org/guides/index.html, which duplicates navigation from the main left. - The "other guides" navigation item is named "General Incubator Guides" at the http://incubator.apache.org/guides/index.html site. - Alternative: Entry guides can stay as table of content for guides and the "podling guides" navigation and the "Other guides" navigation must disappear. - "Status of the Clutch" and the sub item "Current Podling Status" links to the same page. Make only one item, everything else is confusing. Thats exactly what I mean with a mess. Hope it clarifies a bit, b/c I thought about it a pretty long time. Cheers, Christian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org