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From Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Layout change - remove the right table
Date Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:18:16 GMT
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 12:28 PM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10 October 2011 09:09, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:58 AM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 10 October 2011 02:02, David Crossley <crossley@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> sebb wrote:
>>>>> Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I've not started looking at generating projects/index.xml
yet.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Reading the past mails shows me you are +1 to commit the
layout
>>>>> >>> changes. You are already working on the next steps :-)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I'm not keen on losing the RH podling list, if that's what you
mean; I
>>>>> >> think it's useful.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > You was the only one who said so so far. WIth the bootstrap layout
the
>>>>> > project/index.html is even more readable than before.
>>>>
>>>> I reckon that it is important that the list of
>>>> current podlings continues to be prominently displayed.
>>>> Go to separate tables for further information.
>>
>> But not on every page.
>> It is acceptable to have such a list on the front page, but please not
>> on every single page. And if it is on the front page, then not as a
>> third, tiny column messing up everything.
>
> In what way does it mess up everything currently?
>
> Can you post a screenshot somewhere we can inspect?

I meant the website which is currently online.

Its functional, but it is ugly and confusing. This is taste of course,
but for me it looks like a mess, here are some reasons:

- 95+ visible links on a webpage visible navigation is a mess for me.

 - The list of projects is nothing else than a menu which is opened by
default. Two different standard ways (projects/index.html and sidebar)
lead to the same information - it is a duplicate navigation. This is a
mess to, at least what I have learned about web navigation. Hard to
navigate, except you learned it.

- Instead we should provide one standard navigation way (as many other
websites) and a new idea, we should provide breadcrumbs.

- There is even more I would change, now thinking about it:

- Entry Guides has just one item: Proposal Guide. proposal guide
should be the main item, Entry guides need to be removed.

- Entry guides link to http://incubator.apache.org/guides/index.html,
which duplicates navigation from the main left.

- The "other guides" navigation item is named "General Incubator
Guides" at the  http://incubator.apache.org/guides/index.html site.

- Alternative: Entry guides can stay as table of content for guides
and the "podling guides" navigation and the "Other guides" navigation
must disappear.

- "Status of the Clutch" and the sub item "Current Podling Status"
links to the same page. Make only one item, everything else is
confusing.


Thats exactly what I mean with a mess. Hope it clarifies a bit, b/c I
thought about it a pretty long time.

Cheers,
Christian

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