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From sebb <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Layout change - remove the right table
Date Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:57:43 GMT
On 10 October 2011 12:18, Christian Grobmeier <> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 12:28 PM, sebb <> wrote:
>> On 10 October 2011 09:09, Christian Grobmeier <> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:58 AM, sebb <> wrote:
>>>> On 10 October 2011 02:02, David Crossley <> wrote:
>>>>> sebb wrote:
>>>>>> Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>> I've not started looking at generating projects/index.xml
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Reading the past mails shows me you are +1 to commit
the layout
>>>>>> >>> changes. You are already working on the next steps :-)
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I'm not keen on losing the RH podling list, if that's what
you mean; I
>>>>>> >> think it's useful.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > You was the only one who said so so far. WIth the bootstrap
layout the
>>>>>> > project/index.html is even more readable than before.
>>>>> I reckon that it is important that the list of
>>>>> current podlings continues to be prominently displayed.
>>>>> Go to separate tables for further information.
>>> But not on every page.
>>> It is acceptable to have such a list on the front page, but please not
>>> on every single page. And if it is on the front page, then not as a
>>> third, tiny column messing up everything.
>> In what way does it mess up everything currently?
>> Can you post a screenshot somewhere we can inspect?
> I meant the website which is currently online.
> Its functional, but it is ugly and confusing. This is taste of course,
> but for me it looks like a mess, here are some reasons:
> - 95+ visible links on a webpage visible navigation is a mess for me.

It's not much longer than the LHS navigation, and would be a similar
length if the non-project entries were removed as previously proposed.

>  - The list of projects is nothing else than a menu which is opened by
> default. Two different standard ways (projects/index.html and sidebar)
> lead to the same information - it is a duplicate navigation.

The problem I have is that projects/index.html is not easy to
navigate, because the page is *much* longer than the RHS list.

It's longer even if the non-active podlings were moved to a separate page.

> This is a
> mess to, at least what I have learned about web navigation. Hard to
> navigate, except you learned it.

There's nothing difficult about the current RH links.

> - Instead we should provide one standard navigation way (as many other websites)

Choice is not necessarily bad.

> and a new idea, we should provide breadcrumbs.

Those are hard to get right.

> - There is even more I would change, now thinking about it:
> - Entry Guides has just one item: Proposal Guide. proposal guide
> should be the main item, Entry guides need to be removed.
> - Entry guides link to,
> which duplicates navigation from the main left.
> - The "other guides" navigation item is named "General Incubator
> Guides" at the site.
> - Alternative: Entry guides can stay as table of content for guides
> and the "podling guides" navigation and the "Other guides" navigation
> must disappear.
> - "Status of the Clutch" and the sub item "Current Podling Status"
> links to the same page. Make only one item, everything else is
> confusing.
> Thats exactly what I mean with a mess. Hope it clarifies a bit, b/c I
> thought about it a pretty long time.

I agree that the LHS menu is confusing and messy, but for me, the RHS
list is simple and useful.

> Cheers,
> Christian
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