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From: Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 12:57:38 +0200
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Subject: Re: Confusion: Sponsoring entity and Champions
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>> What is the cause he actually fights/argues for? New folks are
>> speaking to the general list on their own.
>
> The cause is getting the podling accepted in the incubator, finding
> mentors and other interested parties.

"The Champion assists the candidate on their initial submission to a Sponsor."
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion

This is how the Champion role is defined. The "default" Sponsor is the
Apache Incubator - no big deal. The only thing a Champion does is to
look at the projects list and try to contact a project if it would
sponsor this new podling. Imho this should be discussed on the
general@ list, when a Draft proposal is there.

>> #1 applies. the projects I have seen needed counseling, not somebody
>> who fight for their case.
>> If you can find a first mentor, you can prove that somebody has an interest.
>
> A mentor guides the podling through the incubation. A champion guides
> the podling into the incubator. Big difference and not confusing at
> all.

Confusion is in the eye of the beholder too.
I am not sure what is wrong with "make a draft proposal and ask for
help on general@" and why there must be a role for that.

But it seems I am the only one who does not see any sense in it, so I
shut up now.

If folks here want to keep the Champion for whatever reasons, I
suggest to update the description a little bit and be more concrete on
what is expected from a Champion and how one can find a Champion.

Cheers
Christian

> Martijn
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