Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 03B61847F for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2011 02:42:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 45609 invoked by uid 500); 7 Sep 2011 02:42:32 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 44715 invoked by uid 500); 7 Sep 2011 02:42:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 44706 invoked by uid 99); 7 Sep 2011 02:42:29 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Sep 2011 02:42:29 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [206.112.75.238] (HELO iron-d-outbound.osis.gov) (206.112.75.238) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Sep 2011 02:42:21 +0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.68,343,1312171200"; d="scan'208";a="88307142" Received: from netmgmt.ext.intelink.gov (HELO ww6.ugov.gov) ([172.16.11.235]) by iron-d-outbound.osis.gov with ESMTP; 06 Sep 2011 22:41:23 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 02:41:59 +0000 (GMT+00:00) From: Adam P Fuchs To: general@incubator.apache.org Message-ID: <270862826.82844.1315363319195.JavaMail.root@linzimmb06o.imo.intelink.gov> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Accumulo incubator proposal: Statement of Concern MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [10.2.188.66] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.7_GA_2476.RHEL4 (zclient/6.0.7_GA_2476.RHEL4) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Hello Doug, I appreciate your concerns, and I would like to try to provide some context that might help you understand why we think the ASF is the right place for Accumulo. Benson is correct that the Accumulo developers have historically not been authorized to participate in public open-source forums in any official capacity. This has led us to developing Accumulo as an "internal open-source" project rather than participating directly in the development of HBase or other BigTable derivatives. While we have been coding Accumulo for the past three years, we have also been working to improve our policies for a good portion of that time. We expect that our policy efforts, which have enabled us to make this proposal to ASF, will enable us to participate in the open source community in a way that was not previously possible. We're also hoping that our participation will draw more open-source participation from a large group of developers working in other government organizations and contractors. While our internal group is only a microcosm of the true, global open-source community, we have still been operating with good open-source coding practices. You don't really have to take our word for that -- the incubator process gives us a great opportunity to show that we can properly participate. I understand that you're also concerned that Accumulo will compete for resources with HBase, and that there might not be room for the two projects in ASF. I would argue that development resources will be (and have been) split between the two projects regardless of whether they are both part of ASF or not. Furthermore, I believe that having both projects be part of ASF gives us more of an opportunity to collaborate going forwards. Whether we find that there are enough competing ideas to support two top level projects, or whether we end up collapsing Accumulo and HBase into one project, I think that the competition and collaboration we will see in the short term will be healthy for both projects. I look forward to working with you more closely in the future. Cheers, Adam P.S. We didn't mean to imply in the proposal that we have a relationship with the community developing HBase -- only to imply that Accumulo and HBase share common goals. We have reworded the proposal to try to clarify this. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org