From general-return-31496-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Tue Sep 20 17:51:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 336527599 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:51:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 22385 invoked by uid 500); 20 Sep 2011 17:51:12 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 22116 invoked by uid 500); 20 Sep 2011 17:51:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 22087 invoked by uid 99); 20 Sep 2011 17:51:12 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:51:12 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.175 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.160.175] (HELO mail-gy0-f175.google.com) (209.85.160.175) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:51:04 +0000 Received: by gyg8 with SMTP id 8so1403797gyg.6 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 10:50:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=wShjjk+Ui/f7km2ZNeUuEtzCAsPnZG9Q6BeqzlivBL8=; b=kk0v/YxD777RE5Q93l5fY3zmfL8EyFbETRYaAOkQfYNNdd2a6PapolJ2XszVqQsvnU qlGeOQFm2iHFH0iS3XgCAWSUwK6GirPgUm9rtETjK1/yQ4sqJLDRGsIZaqQFI57ripaQ dlCMhew9JkHi9d+Thtok7JfHPSYUN1Ty9ifH0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.190.200 with SMTP id e48mr6679117yhn.59.1316541041454; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 10:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.43.162 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Sep 2011 10:50:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 18:50:41 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Confusion: Sponsoring entity and Champions From: Robert Burrell Donkin To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz > wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Martijn Dashorst >> wrote: >>> IMO the champion helps clarify the incubator process up to acceptance >>> of the podling into the incubator. For example the champion for Wicket >>> was not a singular person, but both Alex Karasulu and Upayavira were >>> both very instrumental in smoothing our transition into the incubator. >>> >>> general@ can be very confusing and sometimes even hostile towards new >>> podlings. Having a champion watching out for the podling is rather >>> useful.... >> >> Agreed, IMO the role of the champion is to help the podling get >> started (which might include help find a sponsor, mentors etc) and >> they might only follow things from afar once that's done. > > So, why do we need a role for that? > > I rarely see the call "We need a champion" on the mailinglsit. So I > assume that these persons are somehow connected to the project before. > Or they read the draft-proposal and contact people directly. I suspect that they often contact people directly > At the moment it looks as it is required to have a Champion. I don't > think so. It should be optional, if we really need such a role. I > still doubt. Instead, a Champion is more or less the first mentor a > project has. It should be called Mentor (or initial mentor) to avoid > to much unnecessary terms. IIRC separating these roles allowed specialists to navigate the podling approval process without having to make a long commitment. Our documentation for this process seems ok now. So maybe champions are no longer needed. Robert --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org