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From sebb <seb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Confusion: Sponsoring entity and Champions
Date Wed, 21 Sep 2011 00:18:12 GMT
On 20 September 2011 18:50, Robert Burrell Donkin
<robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Christian Grobmeier
> <grobmeier@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>> <bdelacretaz@apache.org> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Martijn Dashorst
>>> <martijn.dashorst@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> IMO the champion helps clarify the incubator process up to acceptance
>>>> of the podling into the incubator. For example the champion for Wicket
>>>> was not a singular person, but both Alex Karasulu and Upayavira were
>>>> both very instrumental in smoothing our transition into the incubator.
>>>>
>>>> general@ can be very confusing and sometimes even hostile towards new
>>>> podlings. Having a champion watching out for the podling is rather
>>>> useful....
>>>
>>> Agreed, IMO the role of the champion is to help the podling get
>>> started (which might include help find a sponsor, mentors etc) and
>>> they might only follow things from afar once that's done.
>>
>> So, why do we need a role for that?
>>
>> I rarely see the call "We need a champion" on the mailinglsit. So I
>> assume that these persons are somehow connected to the project before.
>> Or they read the draft-proposal and contact people directly.
>
> I suspect that they often contact people directly
>
>> At the moment it looks as it is required to have a Champion. I don't
>> think so. It should be optional, if we really need such a role. I
>> still doubt. Instead, a Champion is more or less the first mentor a
>> project has. It should be called Mentor (or initial mentor) to avoid
>> to much unnecessary terms.
>
> IIRC separating these roles allowed specialists to navigate the
> podling approval process without having to make a long commitment. Our
> documentation for this process seems ok now. So maybe champions are no
> longer needed.

If there is no Champion, who is responsible for driving the process
forward initially?

Once the PPMC is up and running, that becomes less of an issue.

Do PPMCs have chairs?
If not, then maybe the Champion fulfils that role until eventual
graduation; otherwise they fulfil the role until the PPMC elects a
chair.

> Robert
>
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