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From Doug Meil <doug.m...@explorysmedical.com>
Subject Re: Accumulo incubator proposal: Statement of Concern
Date Tue, 13 Sep 2011 02:34:53 GMT

Hi there-

I thought the email chain prompted by my questions had a gracious and
productive ending several days ago, but if you would like to start this up
again, ok.

re:  "turf is being infringed"

It's funny that you said that, because according to the other emails on
Accumulo in the past week there are a couple thousand lines of HBase code
in Accumulo, and core functionality at that (e.g., block cache).  Even
Incubator supporters of Accumulo would admit that's a little unusual in
the ASF, and I believe they've said so in other threads I've seen.

As was pointed out, HBase copied the Hadoop RPC for it's own purpose, but
HBase wasn't trying to be another RPC framework - it was trying to be
Hbase - something Hadoop was not.

I'm not making a legal argument here because the ASF code license is free
beer/speech, etc.  It's just that Accumulo is, in a very real sense,
actually standing on a part of HBase.

If there are other examples of this in Apache I'd be curious to know what
they are.  That's not a sarcastic request... seriously, I'd like to know
because it would be worth documenting as case studies for other projects.


re:  "overlap"

This is the "there are multiple webservers in ASF" counter-argument -
except that ones that exist are in two different languages (Apache WS and
Tomcat).  The point I made in my email is that if a 3rd webserver showed
up that was written in Java that copied a couple thousand lines of code
from Tomcat, I would hope somebody would ask why.  I thought I had some
agreements from some folks on this thread, but you feel differently so
we're going to have to disagree.

Thanks.

Doug


On 9/12/11 8:56 PM, "Noel J. Bergman" <noel@devtech.com> wrote:

>Doug Meil wrote:
>
>> I think that the ASF and ASF incubator leadership should consider it a
>> priority to foster such communication.
>
>We do.  I, in particular, tend to do it --- and have on occassion been
>criticized for trying to foster project collaboration and/or merger.
>
>BUT ...
>
>The Incubator does not pick winners, exclude projects based on overlap
>with
>others, or deny a community a chance just because some other project (ASF
>or
>otherwise) feels that their turf is being infringed.  We have been very
>consistent on this issue.
>
>Your best move is to open talks with the Accumulo community, and see what
>options for collaboration and/or merger exist as it proceeds.
>
>As for some of the other comments, Accumulo will be held to the same
>standards as every other project, and will be required to exhibit The
>Apache
>Way.
>
>	--- Noel
>
>
>
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