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From Benson Margulies <>
Subject Re: Apache Rat TLP...?
Date Fri, 05 Aug 2011 18:15:02 GMT
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Kalle Korhonen
<> wrote:
> Agree that the scope of Rat alone is limited. You mean if Rat proposed
> to graduate as Apache Tools (or even Apache Infrastructure Tools)? Rat
> could start as the TLP and later become a sub project once other tools
> graduate and join Apache Tools as sub projects. Makes sense to me as
> there are a lot of other internally developed tools that are not run
> as projects.

I wonder if there would be any sympathy for combining this with some
of the code maintained by infrastructure@?

> Kalle
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
> <> wrote:
>> Rat is (now) one of the oldest podlings, and has an unusually high
>> proportion of experience Apache contributors. The community and code
>> are small (perhaps too small) for a top level project (TLP).
>> Rat tools conceptually run downstream from the build in the continuous
>> delivery space, assisting comprehension and verification of assembled
>> source and binary artifacts but. It is natural also to include
>> bindings for various build systems (to catch problems early) and
>> generative repair tools within scope. No suitable TLP exists which is
>> build system and language agnostic.
>> So Rat is in limbo.
>> There seems to be quite a number of existing unsatisfied related use
>> cases eg [1][2] here at Apache. I suspect that with the arrival of
>> OOo, automation is going to become essential and new tools will need
>> to be developed in a variety of languages.
>> In the podling, there is now a rough consensus that graduating to a
>> new TLP would be the right path. Though the community is currently
>> small, it could act as a seed for efforts to address these problems
>> and grow as a home for these tools.
>> But before we start to draw up more detailed proposals, I'd like to
>> take some soundings...
>> Opinions?
>> Robert
>> [1]
>> [2]
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