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From "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject Re: Apache Rat TLP...?
Date Fri, 05 Aug 2011 18:28:16 GMT
I'm +1 for the TLP case. I was before when we discussed it, and still am.

I'd happily VOTE for RAT to become a TLP. If it needs to change later, then 
we can discuss it then.

Cheers,
Chris

On Aug 5, 2011, at 11:15 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Kalle Korhonen
> <kalle.o.korhonen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Agree that the scope of Rat alone is limited. You mean if Rat proposed
>> to graduate as Apache Tools (or even Apache Infrastructure Tools)? Rat
>> could start as the TLP and later become a sub project once other tools
>> graduate and join Apache Tools as sub projects. Makes sense to me as
>> there are a lot of other internally developed tools that are not run
>> as projects.
> 
> I wonder if there would be any sympathy for combining this with some
> of the code maintained by infrastructure@?
> 
>> 
>> Kalle
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
>> <robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Rat is (now) one of the oldest podlings, and has an unusually high
>>> proportion of experience Apache contributors. The community and code
>>> are small (perhaps too small) for a top level project (TLP).
>>> 
>>> Rat tools conceptually run downstream from the build in the continuous
>>> delivery space, assisting comprehension and verification of assembled
>>> source and binary artifacts but. It is natural also to include
>>> bindings for various build systems (to catch problems early) and
>>> generative repair tools within scope. No suitable TLP exists which is
>>> build system and language agnostic.
>>> 
>>> So Rat is in limbo.
>>> 
>>> There seems to be quite a number of existing unsatisfied related use
>>> cases eg [1][2] here at Apache. I suspect that with the arrival of
>>> OOo, automation is going to become essential and new tools will need
>>> to be developed in a variety of languages.
>>> 
>>> In the podling, there is now a rough consensus that graduating to a
>>> new TLP would be the right path. Though the community is currently
>>> small, it could act as a seed for efforts to address these problems
>>> and grow as a home for these tools.
>>> 
>>> But before we start to draw up more detailed proposals, I'd like to
>>> take some soundings...
>>> 
>>> Opinions?
>>> 
>>> Robert
>>> 
>>> [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-rat-dev/201106.mbox/%3CBANLkTikiWPDsipDV9wCG8bGFnW=QWBWHgw@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>> [2] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201107.mbox/%3C4E2F098B.7080008@schor.com%3E
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