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From Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Date Sat, 02 Jul 2011 01:08:12 GMT
I concur with Craig's thoughts.

+1 to retire (binding).


On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 19:27, Craig L Russell <craig.russell@oracle.com> wrote:
> +1 for retiring Bluesky
>
> I believe that the Bluesky project is well-intentioned but just doesn't
> belong at Apache.
>
> The coders do not use mail lists for discussions of design, code,
> infrastructure, or other aspects of project management that Apache projects
> must do. "If it didn't happen on the mail lists, it didn't happen." This
> would tell me that nothing is happening, yet code appears out of thin air.
>
> The coders are not committers. There is no path for coders to become
> committers. Coders appear this year and disappear the next.
>
> Despite multiple attempts to teach Bluesky members what it means to be an
> Apache project, no progress has been made.
>
> I think we should wish them well in their new home, wherever that happens to
> be.
>
> Craig
>
> On Jul 1, 2011, at 4:14 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
>
>> +1 (Binding)
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Ross Gardler <rgardler@opendirective.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 to retire Bluesky (binding)
>>>
>>> I see no reason for suspending the vote. We've been round this
>>> particular merry-go-round many times already. Each time we're told
>>> "we'll do better". The votes been called lets just move on, the ASF is
>>> not the right home for this project for the reasons already discussed.
>>>
>>> Ross
>>>
>>> On 28 June 2011 06:49, berndf <berndf@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
>>>>
>>>> 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
>>>> becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
>>>> developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
>>>> lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
>>>> every made.
>>>>
>>>> There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
>>>> without much success.
>>>>
>>>> So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
>>>> The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
>>>>
>>>> [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
>>>> [] -0/+0, I'm undecided
>>>> [] -1, I will step up as a mentor, so let's give it another try
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for voting,
>>>>
>>>>  Bernd
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
>>> Programme Leader (Open Development)
>>> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
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> Craig L Russell
> Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
> Chair, OpenJPA PMC
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