Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CF8A34073 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2011 03:10:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 12836 invoked by uid 500); 2 Jun 2011 03:10:39 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 12228 invoked by uid 500); 2 Jun 2011 03:10:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 12216 invoked by uid 99); 2 Jun 2011 03:10:36 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 03:10:36 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of robert_weir@us.ibm.com designates 32.97.182.144 as permitted sender) Received: from [32.97.182.144] (HELO e4.ny.us.ibm.com) (32.97.182.144) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 03:10:27 +0000 Received: from d01relay03.pok.ibm.com (d01relay03.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.235]) by e4.ny.us.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p522mrXl014817 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2011 22:48:53 -0400 Received: from d01av03.pok.ibm.com (d01av03.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.217]) by d01relay03.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id p523A47I054342 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2011 23:10:06 -0400 Received: from d01av03.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av03.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVout) with ESMTP id p51N9qYs001189 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2011 20:09:52 -0300 Received: from wtfmail03.edc.lotus.com ([9.32.140.19]) by d01av03.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVin) with ESMTP id p51N9qxC001186 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2011 20:09:52 -0300 In-Reply-To: References: <4DE65D8F.8060002@oracle.com> <4DE66703.4000007@apache.org> To: general@incubator.apache.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal X-KeepSent: 87C456BE:F7CC9495-852578A3:000EB0A9; type=4; name=$KeepSent X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V852_05272010 May 27, 2010 From: robert_weir@us.ibm.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 23:10:02 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WTFMAIL03/WTF/M/Lotus(Release 8.5.2FP3NP|April 26, 2011) at 06/01/2011 11:10:04 PM, Serialize complete at 06/01/2011 11:10:04 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Jochen Wiedmann wrote on 06/01/2011 02:56:10 PM: > > > We could have put a much longer list of IBM names on this list, developers > > familiar with the code base via their work on Lotus Symphony (which is our > > OpenOffice based project). But then we could have been criticized for the > > proposal being too dominated by IBM. It is clearly our intent to grow > > this project, both from our corporate developers, but also by recruiting > > new members to the project, including developers from related open source > > projects (see my previous note) > > And why couldn't IBM do quite the same with LibreOffice, or, even > better, with a remerged O/LOffice? > I trust I do not need to explain at length to an Apache PMC the relative merits of the Apache 2.0 license or the strengths and stability of the ASF. I'll take it as granted that this is well-known to you all. In any case I am a strict adherent to the practical wisdom of not debating open source licenses while sober, and I decline to make an exception in this case. A re-merged OO/LO would be great. Even more ideal a re-merged OpenOffice/LibreOffice/Symphony/RedOffice, with greater discipline for how we relate to other projects that make smaller customizations (NeoOffice, BrOffice, EuroOffice). But I think the best place for this to happen is at Apache. Of the options we considered (and we did consider several, including LibreOffice's Document Foundation) Apache was the clear top choice. I don't want to denigrate the accomplishments of LibreOffice. What they have seems to work for them. So instead of pointing out their liabilities, let me just enumerate what I see as some of the relative strengths of AFS: pragmatic commercially-friendly open source license, proven track record and organizational stability, mature, meritocracy-based process and strong technical infrastructure. Regards, -Rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org