Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A2416E02 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 19:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 79517 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jun 2011 19:39:59 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 79339 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jun 2011 19:39:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 79331 invoked by uid 99); 5 Jun 2011 19:39:59 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 19:39:59 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,RFC_ABUSE_POST,SPF_PASS,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of ianrlynch@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.175 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.213.175] (HELO mail-yx0-f175.google.com) (209.85.213.175) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 19:39:51 +0000 Received: by yxi11 with SMTP id 11so1037652yxi.6 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 12:39:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=T12QUjovKr3ZKGDXfSRh1RazSn/R0RdpITUuhT55yTc=; b=XSgo0q2pk6GKZVcfyQ9/eDhHCr5Ea87nIbCeoX8z7/vcDUwBwnqTK+zD6+J46WVsui S2plDOn0hJnnpluKH9z/vTAA5anzuPSkXrJ+pN7d4AVhUEB7kQotQNrcKD15JmWa3IfQ r8qvFsiCSgnpmLN39eC6/wG+nL0cdAzusV+zA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=XPgTV0r8xXzx+ZpfHjBJSaA4nBaWEQ18yd6b7aLNA8KED+/56FGngKQmIhoezMnku9 Dn855oC3CcBmDDyBQsjTJ753SlLYnjdt2t3yUzJj8g8J48L1/f/zNG6lTO6AWNZPjYuX Pz0+f9gxR+4ED8SpnO83wbQG+Ad1VxgV4iQY8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.190.1 with SMTP id s1mr3069213anp.37.1307302770132; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 12:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.110.7 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 12:39:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4DEB68E3.5090403@documentfoundation.org> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 20:39:30 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: End Users ? From: Ian Lynch To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d27bb23a491d04a4fc253f X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --0016e6d27bb23a491d04a4fc253f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 5 June 2011 20:04, wrote: So I agree that supporting end users is critical, but I think the way that > this is done in practice, does not necessarily require great centralized > planning. I'd say too much centralised planning for end user support is probably a backward step. We do certification which encourages end-users to become more self-sufficient. We could do that unilaterally but we do want to put something back. OOo marketing project has mainly been successful through individual initiatives rather than great centralised plans - apart from anything else the money required for global marketing campaigns simply doesn't exist. End-user support is more through projects like OOoAuthors, Solveig Haugland and Gabriel Gurley's books, the competiton we ran for kids with OOo schools mascot Otto. I don't see any reason why such things and more will not get supported simply because the code is with the ASF. --0016e6d27bb23a491d04a4fc253f--