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Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 02:07:31 +0100
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Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal
From: Niall Pemberton <niall.pemberton@gmail.com>
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On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Luke Kowalski <luke.kowalski@oracle.com> wrote:
> The following project is being sent in as an incubator candidate.

The "Required Resources" section of the proposal is pretty
minimalistic listing only two mailing lists, JIRA, Subversion &
download site. While it is not necessary IMO to detail all
requirements prior to accepting the proposal, it would be better to to
give a more realistic picture of the scope of the resources required.

Looking at the OpenOffice.org website I see the following:
 - 146 projects (each of which has a mailing list)
 - A wiki powered by http://www.mediawiki.org
 - Forums in 10 languages powered by http://www.phpbb.com/

How many of these projects is it anticipated (best guess) will end up
at the ASF? What is the likely number of mailing lists that will
(eventually) be required?

Will the user forums be hosted and supported by the ASF?

Will the MidiWiki and its content be hosted and supported by the ASF?

OpenOffice.org has quite a few domain names (e.g. OpenOffice.org,
projects.openoffice.org, support.openoffice.org, about.openoffice.org,
marketing.openoffice.org etc.) - which (if any) of these domain names
be transferred to the ASF?

I know there were good questions asked about trademarks in the following thread:

http://markmail.org/message/zjllzh3ushsd3kdu

...and the answer(s) were it will be cleared up during incubation. But
it would be good to have an idea of whether this is going to be a big
issue or not. On the face of it, it looks like there has been a more
liberal policy than the ASF's current policy and there could be a
large number of companies that might have to be dealt with. We have
seen that dealing with a trademark issue with one company can take
quite a bit of effort - OpenOffice.org could dwarf that. Specifically
then:

 - has the OpenOffice.org trademark policy been more liberal than the
ASF's current policy?
 - how many organisations have been granted permission to use the
trademark in their products and services?
   http://surveys.services.openoffice.org/surveys/index.php?sid=31881
 - If it has been more liberal, will the ASF allow this to continue
and if not how will organisations that have been given permission be
dealt with?

Lastly a couple of comments..

I thought Allen Pulsifer's post was good:
http://markmail.org/message/yowqc4eloxsjhhll
...especially the part about how OpenOffice.org dwarfs the scale of
any other ASF project and I worry about whether we have the volunteer
hours to first incubate this project and second to oversee and
administer it post graduation?

I know that Rob said they didn't want to flood the proposal with IBM
committers, but diversity isn't an issue for entering incubation -
only exiting, so IMO it would be better to see those people listed
from the start.

Thanks

Niall


> regards
> luke

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