Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 947F34B94 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 16:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 7648 invoked by uid 500); 4 Jun 2011 16:32:09 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 7521 invoked by uid 500); 4 Jun 2011 16:32:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 7513 invoked by uid 99); 4 Jun 2011 16:32:09 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 04 Jun 2011 16:32:09 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,RFC_ABUSE_POST,SPF_PASS,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of ianrlynch@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.47 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.213.47] (HELO mail-yw0-f47.google.com) (209.85.213.47) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 04 Jun 2011 16:32:04 +0000 Received: by ywg8 with SMTP id 8so1192363ywg.6 for ; Sat, 04 Jun 2011 09:31:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2nTKtxFGC2HteQfqHST8NGlIZdYYZOuS9aHN3fF8zrs=; b=Kp/gHpVhN1Y4yseGUddRqq1QjQxnr2w6Wue20TucRQ2mACjW4OzMmWcbXqJaL915Qc 2Mve7ngjS7A/me0na+E8bOcWmDd6brIvNvVBRr2yfmVu5nJkRY99LQJkb8V8sMGd88BX MFVMRwYEi2mEwEcqQ6mT7ygiOAMYGyYG1NgjY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=iuDdbAIEYNecHlf8dI1OTzLEvGH0VoxRU8DfZWA6hqkMIBKW2TUQVwAS0SwDa9G7mJ itdRfrflOBNxd4RZ3IneIYKP5a8Td23996vopgrTfxM3K5hcqTmPpdSMRbf7UI22m9Jf iZsYj7fva5imI/d72aNc9IaBv1Ld5wf7/vuck= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.86.4 with SMTP id j4mr2155515anb.125.1307205101907; Sat, 04 Jun 2011 09:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.110.7 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 09:31:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 17:31:41 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Apache OpenOffice.org Incubator Proposal: Collaboration with TDF/LO From: Ian Lynch To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016368e207fbf6f5504a4e5671c --0016368e207fbf6f5504a4e5671c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 4 June 2011 13:37, wrote: > Simon Phipps wrote on 06/04/2011 07:43:50 AM: > > > > > On 4 Jun 2011, at 12:19, Sam Ruby wrote: > > > > > >> > > > LibreOffice complements anything we do here at Apache to those who > > > agree with the license terms under which LibreOffice is made > > > available. Until or unless we resolve that issue, I feel that the > > > statement above would need to be both qualified in this manner and > > > extended to enumerate other complements that might apply in other > > > situations. > > > > I disagree. LO has a focus on the binary deliverables and the > > consumer destinations they reach that is perfectly complementary to > > the developer focus of Apache. This complementarity is entirely > > unrelated to licensing. > > > > I'll assert that there is a subset of participants on this list, taking > part in this discussion and whom have added their names to the proposed > committers list who feel strongly that the proposed project's efforts > should include a strong end-user focus. That is certainly true of myself and I suspect Manfred Reiter. We are both interested in certification and marketing as we both have professional backgrounds in vocational education and training. I was formerly education lead for OOo and Manfred formerly co-lead for the German project. We are currently collaborating in EU funded projects. I wrote an application for funding that is being presented through the German National Agency for an OpenOffice.org certification project - even if this application failed we can do others and the focus has to be impact on end-users. > I'm willing to believe that there > is also a subset that thinks otherwise. If these difference can be > resolved, that would be best. But if not, I'll suggest that this is a > fundamental difference of vision which probably cannot be reconciled > within a single proposal. > If for some organisational reason it is better for us to be in camp foo rather than camp bar we have no problem. We just want to help people get free and open source office productivity tools. We will work cooperatively with anyone who has similar broad goals. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQ www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. --0016368e207fbf6f5504a4e5671c--