Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AFE2944C4 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2011 17:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 10244 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jun 2011 17:01:24 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 10079 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jun 2011 17:01:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 10071 invoked by uid 99); 6 Jun 2011 17:01:24 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:01:24 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,RFC_ABUSE_POST,SPF_PASS,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of ianrlynch@gmail.com designates 209.85.218.47 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.218.47] (HELO mail-yi0-f47.google.com) (209.85.218.47) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:01:18 +0000 Received: by yia28 with SMTP id 28so1427650yia.6 for ; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 10:00:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ebCVpy8jkwfx9odfIHdwtV/laEjaTQs62OFSjxQ0JuE=; b=uZMKHqfvGr178nD3KduSPn9xYLeRDWLwXTVhk/jmzp5KaF+uD6kTV/JEUluuN5UM9l xvPSuEHM02Sz75yrKogjGOwPyYiumbXVI+Z4+hlgRrQgUBkbeqZbAfh7XW9XG5E2fcox uOC/S5Rx5pgwBJMDdjeqJkHYJrA9jIdIopL/Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=T0LVH02u6vEWPYg7uCeSMwLAVrNpq3XIhUvg76LA1qRh7XXIAheg5sP2ZnUBoEFKMC OPn9ht+zQwU8Yt7MHRBGt4TXHJUQCzGYs/dJ1YhANs55AAf26kqLDL66Um6ibCJfpY3x usvbrb5ZcO2jCW0KcRqQoACbGGAsNiRTibSXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.129.36 with SMTP id g36mr3766597ann.169.1307379658068; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 10:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.110.7 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Jun 2011 10:00:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4DED04AB.8020600@documentfoundation.org> References: <002901cc22b8$903faa00$b0befe00$@openoffice.org> <8956413094575494531@unknownmsgid> <6349EB9C-4D7A-49E0-A5C5-F18089B01E2E@jaguNET.com> <7371751133994138420@unknownmsgid> <18F56B52-6E23-4884-8BE0-3D342C0DF7EE@jaguNET.com> <4DEC9FD5.9070404@gmail.com> <45FC3EA0-A7C7-4275-8EBB-731C773F45A0@jaguNET.com> <4DECF8C5.4080002@gmail.com> <6EA8EF30-1A8B-4B39-90A3-C459A4E7E805@jaguNET.com> <4DECFDA9.7070204@documentfoundation.org> <4DED0304.4070702@gmail.com> <4DED04AB.8020600@documentfoundation.org> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 18:00:57 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice From: Ian Lynch To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c597381b134a04a50e0c3f --001636c597381b134a04a50e0c3f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Look guys, this is going round in circles. I'm not an ASF or TDF member but I spent quite a lot of time and effort on OOo and ODF in the past so I care what happens. The fact is the software grant is made. My understanding is that if the code goes into the incubator it does not even guarantee it will emerge as a marketable product. It might just sit on a shelf in ASF gathering dust because no-one really has the resources to do anything with it. OTOH it might thrive and take over the desktop office world (I wish :-) ) . At this point there is no way of knowing. All this incubator process is supposed to do is see if ASF members think it has some potential. Its good to get all the issues out in the open but this one on the "IBM conspiracy theory" is really exhausted. It's not going to change anything. Let's say we persuaded the good guys at Apache that this is a ploy to manipulate them and they reject the code. Where then will it go? If conspiracy is right it definitely won't be to TDF and it could be to somewhere a lot more damaging to TDF than the ASF. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. --001636c597381b134a04a50e0c3f--