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Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 08:59:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: OpenOffice: were are we now?
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----- Original Message ----

> From: Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com>
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Sun, June 5, 2011 11:43:47 AM
> Subject: Re: OpenOffice: were are we now?
> 
> 
> On Jun 5, 2011, at 6:26 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> 
> >> Not  just yet.  I don't want anyone to feel that we rushed this.
> > 
> > Oh, i didn't want to rush
> > 
> >> If that progress can be  made in less than 24 hours, imagine what the
> >> next 24, 48, or even 72  hours will bring.
> > 
> > Compared and good :-)
> > 
> >> My  expectation is that the right time to hold a vote will be by the
> >> end  of the week (Greg previously expressed a similar thought), however
> >>  if there is a good reason for this to spill over into early next  week
> >> I would be fine with that too.
> > 
> > This is fine  for me.
> > 
> > But pragmatic as I am, I wanted to know about the key  blockers if
> > there are still any from incubator view.  Currently  discussion is
> > focussing on convincing people why it is good. I think  more on: is the
> > proposal valid and good or are there unclear/incomplete  items
> > 
> > Thanks for your long response
> 
> I posted a similar  statement yesterday. Personally, I think the traffic
> on this list has settled  down a lot in the last 24 hours and is now 
> focusing in on topics more relevant  to this list. But maybe that is just
> because it was Saturday :-)

Most of the sniping^H^H^H^Hdiscussion has moved over to the libreoffice
lists at this point.

> What I  am still waiting to hear on are:
> 1. The amount of code in the project that  the grant didn't give to us
> under the Apache License.

Not a blocker for starting incubation.  IOW we don't ask for this level of
detail from other podlings.

> 2. The amount of work  that will be required to rework dependencies.

Not a blocker for starting incubation. Keep in mind that the podling may
elect to "release" via the libreoffice infrastructure, which gives them
the same flexibility wrt licensing issues that we gave to subversion
(which to this point has yet to cut a formal ASF release).

> 3. Whether the number of  initial committers will be sufficient to start
> the project (this is probably  going to be very subjective).

This is a concern I share.  So far IBM has committed only a handful of people
to this effort, despite big talk from Bob Sutor and friends about their vision
for the code.

> 4. Whether there are enough mentors who have  the time to devote to this.
> Since this is a very large undertaking I'd  appreciate a bit more than just
> their name on the wiki but perhaps an actual  estimate of how much time they
> have to devote to the  project.

Given the poor track record of most IPMC mentors, I sorta agree with this 
concern,
but looking at the actual names involved I expect most of them will do their
fair share.  Remember the success or failure of OOo depends on the PPMC's 
ability
to handle the load, not the mentors'.

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