Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 426CE6ECD for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 23:24:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 60363 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jun 2011 23:24:37 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 60193 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jun 2011 23:24:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 60185 invoked by uid 99); 5 Jun 2011 23:24:37 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 23:24:37 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of ralph.goers@dslextreme.com designates 209.85.210.47 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.210.47] (HELO mail-pz0-f47.google.com) (209.85.210.47) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 23:24:28 +0000 Received: by pzk36 with SMTP id 36so1654600pzk.6 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.19.101 with SMTP id d5mr1598555pbe.82.1307316246993; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.69] (99-180-69-21.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net [99.180.69.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p5sm3225401pbd.60.2011.06.05.16.24.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: OpenOffice: were are we now? From: Ralph Goers In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 16:24:04 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5383466C-5378-46EA-A6AE-4C664D2486AD@dslextreme.com> References: To: general@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Jun 5, 2011, at 4:02 PM, Niall Pemberton wrote: > On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 11:51 PM, wrote: >> Niall Pemberton wrote on 06/05/2011 = 06:30:06 >> PM: >>=20 >>>=20 >>> I agree with you - in this case I think it would be better if IBM >>> collaborated with LibreOffice, rather than seeking to compete. But I >>> could be wrong. >>>=20 >>=20 >> And I support 100% your right to have that opinion and to support = whatever >> open source project or projects you want, to worship your own God and = to >> drink the beer of your choice. But if there are a "sufficient" = number of >> people (as determined subjectively by the IPMC) who have a different >> opinion, and who would like to do an open source project at Apache, = and >> they have a proposal acceptable in other ways, then I think it should = be >> allowed. >>=20 >> Otherwise this is like the Baptists telling the Methodists that they >> cannot have a church of their own in town, because the Baptists want = to >> recruit a larger choir. >=20 > It is clear from IBM switching its efforts from Harmony to OpenJDK > that there are no religious reasons over license. Other ASF people > have expressed in this thread that in their opinion that is reason > enough (and I respect that view) - but IBM can't claim that. So I > think my point still stands. I seriously doubt IBM "switched" to the license OpenJDK is under. = Instead, I'd guess they got a proprietary license from Oracle so they = could continue to ship their JDK on AIX. They cannot do that in many = other cases. Of course, if you can find the source for IBM's JDK = implementation then that would prove me wrong. Ralph --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org