Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C0ABF62BA for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2011 16:53:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 59297 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2011 16:53:17 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 59167 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2011 16:53:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 59159 invoked by uid 99); 1 Jun 2011 16:53:17 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 16:53:17 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [82.71.204.226] (HELO cpanelsmarthost2.zen.co.uk) (82.71.204.226) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 16:53:10 +0000 Received: from [82.71.204.9] (helo=zencphosting06.zen.co.uk) by cpanelsmarthost2.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QRof3-0005L3-Mx for general@incubator.apache.org; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 16:52:49 +0000 Received: from 5e0715dd.bb.sky.com ([94.7.21.221] helo=[192.168.0.4]) by zencphosting06.zen.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QRof3-00088z-Hc for general@incubator.apache.org; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:52:49 +0100 Message-ID: <4DE66E5E.1060505@apache.org> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:52:46 +0100 From: Ross Gardler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal References: <4DE65D8F.8060002@oracle.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - zencphosting06.zen.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - incubator.apache.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apache.org On 01/06/2011 17:33, robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote: > Jukka Zitting wrote on 06/01/2011 12:13:09 PM: > >> >>> Community >>> >>> OpenOffice.org. seeks to further encourage developer and user > communities >>> during incubation, beyond the existing developers currently working on > the >>> project. >> >> Any thoughts on how (or if) the LibreOffice community would fit into >> this picture? >> > > There are many projects, open source and proprietary that are derived from > Sun/Oracle's original OpenOffice project. > > I made a diagram of this on a blog post a while ago: > > http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png > http://www.robweir.com/blog/2010/11/the-legacy-of-openoffice-org.html This is really helpful Rob. Thanks. > So I think we want to consider all of this. This code base, although not > your typical piece of componentry, does appear to have been treated as > something that could be customized, repackaged and redistributed. I don't > have the exactly numbers, but there are significant users of the following > OpenOffice derivatives: > > - LibreOffice > - IBM Lotus Symphony > - EuroOffice > - BrOffice (which some would say is a derivative of LibreOffice) > - RedOffice > > In all cases there are several overlapping communities: > > - a community of developers > - a community of users > - a community of supporters, trainers, consultants, etc. > > We'll need to work out how these related, and especially which of these > community functions are a good fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which > things fit better outside of Apache. But my recommendation is that we > encourage the core development of the editors to occur in Apache, while > making it easy, via a modular extension mechanism, a modular install, etc. > for others to customize and redistribute as permitted by the Apache 2.0 > license. I like the sound of this and I note that Bob Sutor says similar in his blog [1] I think it would be really good to have this goal in the proposal itself, it is something concrete to point to from a community development point of view. Ross [1] http://www.sutor.com/c/2011/06/some-remarks-on-openoffice-going-to-apache/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org