From general-return-29052-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Sat Jun 4 12:38:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A2EA0416B for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 12:38:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 71983 invoked by uid 500); 4 Jun 2011 12:38:12 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 71830 invoked by uid 500); 4 Jun 2011 12:38:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 71822 invoked by uid 99); 4 Jun 2011 12:38:11 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 04 Jun 2011 12:38:11 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of robert_weir@us.ibm.com designates 32.97.110.152 as permitted sender) Received: from [32.97.110.152] (HELO e34.co.us.ibm.com) (32.97.110.152) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 04 Jun 2011 12:38:05 +0000 Received: from d03relay01.boulder.ibm.com (d03relay01.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.226]) by e34.co.us.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p54CP12Z000769 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:25:01 -0600 Received: from d03av01.boulder.ibm.com (d03av01.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.167]) by d03relay01.boulder.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id p54CbgAt200856 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:37:42 -0600 Received: from d03av01.boulder.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d03av01.boulder.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVout) with ESMTP id p54CbgeB029522 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:37:42 -0600 Received: from wtfmail03.edc.lotus.com (WTFMAIL03.lotus.com [9.32.140.19]) by d03av01.boulder.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVin) with ESMTP id p54CbfWt029500 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:37:42 -0600 In-Reply-To: References: To: general@incubator.apache.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Apache OpenOffice.org Incubator Proposal: Collaboration with TDF/LO X-KeepSent: BB671482:6709B563-852578A5:00445676; type=4; name=$KeepSent X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V852_05272010 May 27, 2010 From: robert_weir@us.ibm.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 08:37:40 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WTFMAIL03/WTF/M/Lotus(Release 8.5.2FP3NP|April 26, 2011) at 06/04/2011 08:37:42 AM, Serialize complete at 06/04/2011 08:37:42 AM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Simon Phipps wrote on 06/04/2011 07:43:50 AM: > > On 4 Jun 2011, at 12:19, Sam Ruby wrote: > > > >> > > LibreOffice complements anything we do here at Apache to those who > > agree with the license terms under which LibreOffice is made > > available. Until or unless we resolve that issue, I feel that the > > statement above would need to be both qualified in this manner and > > extended to enumerate other complements that might apply in other > > situations. > > I disagree. LO has a focus on the binary deliverables and the > consumer destinations they reach that is perfectly complementary to > the developer focus of Apache. This complementarity is entirely > unrelated to licensing. > I'll assert that there is a subset of participants on this list, taking part in this discussion and whom have added their names to the proposed committers list who feel strongly that the proposed project's efforts should include a strong end-user focus. I'm willing to believe that there is also a subset that thinks otherwise. If these difference can be resolved, that would be best. But if not, I'll suggest that this is a fundamental difference of vision which probably cannot be reconciled within a single proposal. -Rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org