From general-return-28843-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Fri Jun 3 18:12:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 35E056ABC for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 83919 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jun 2011 18:12:05 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 83732 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jun 2011 18:12:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 83724 invoked by uid 99); 3 Jun 2011 18:12:05 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:12:05 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [64.202.165.47] (HELO smtpauth23.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net) (64.202.165.47) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with SMTP; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:11:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 20459 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2011 18:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (76.252.112.72) by smtpauth23.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.47) with ESMTP; 03 Jun 2011 18:11:34 -0000 Message-ID: <4DE923B5.1090502@rowe-clan.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 13:11:01 -0500 From: "William A. Rowe Jr." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community? References: <20110602000137.GA60771@devsys.jaguNET.com> <4DE6D6E9.8080609@apache.org> <4DE76850.2060905@documentfoundation.org> <4DE8FBCD.3080104@documentfoundation.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 6/3/2011 12:36 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > On 3 Jun 2011, at 17:52, Ian Lynch wrote: >> >> Thing is that this is done, Oracle didn't and won't now give the IP to any >> other foundation. So we are where we are. > > We may be where we are, but we collectively have the opportunity to collaborate once Oracle has gone - that's what "open" means. "My way or the highway" talk - from any side - is detestable. ASF has the opportunity to reject the bait to head down the path of ideological conflict, choose a conciliatory path that respects the existing community and especially to use the trademark (which is the only actual asset being transferred) for everyone's good. In all fairness, in addition to a separate trademark grant, the stock example http://www.apache.org/licenses/software-grant.txt form spells out the assets. >From your perspective, the existing LGPL/MPL hybrid may already grant most everything you require. For IBM and others, it had not, prior to this permissive grant. That said, the definition of "everyone" in your statement above would mean different things to different readers, and I'll step back from the licensing discussion precipice now :) ++1 to ongoing collaboration by all OOo code consumers :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org