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From robert_w...@us.ibm.com
Subject Re: TDF/LO, what is the art of the possible?
Date Sat, 04 Jun 2011 01:04:16 GMT
Yes, Simon, I am aware of that.  But I have no standing in the IPMC to 
liaise with another organization on their behalf.  Jim sent a note to 
their leaders, as well as OOo, and invited them to join this conversation. 
 Several of their Steering Committee and Engineering Steering Committee 
members have already posted on this list.  It would be reasonable to 
suspect that the remaining ones are lurking.  So I know that they have 
received these questions.

I hope they will consider the questions and respond and move this 
conversation forward.  If they don't want to, there are 100's of excuses 
that could be used.  If they want to respond, it is far simpler.

Regards,

-Rob

Simon Phipps <simon@webmink.com> wrote on 06/03/2011 08:21:12 PM:

> From: Simon Phipps <simon@webmink.com>
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Date: 06/03/2011 08:22 PM
> Subject: Re: TDF/LO, what is the art of the possible?
> 
> Rob - their mailing list is over at 
steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org,
> details here:
> http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/#lists
> 
> 
> S.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 1:09 AM, <robert_weir@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> > If someone on the list from TDF is authorized to answer this (or can 
get
> > such authorization), I'd appreciate an official stance on the 
following
> > questions.  This would help us understand what room there is for
> > negotiation and what is not worth discussing at all.
> >
> > For "willing to consider it", I mean in the context of a negotiation 
where
> > there is some give and take.  I'm not asking if you're willing to do 
this
> > for nothing.  I just want to understand what are the deal breakers and
> > where we should be focusing discussions.
> >
> > I'm not interested in debating these questions in this thread, aside 
from
> > clarifications.  We're debating these issues in other threads.  I'm 
just
> > trying to see if we can agree on which of these directions, if any, is
> > likely to be fruitful and which ones, if any, are fundamentally 
impossible
> > for TDF/LO.
> >
> > I think we've given straightforward answers on where ASF is flexible 
and
> > where it cannot budge.  I'd welcome similar clarity from TDF/LO, in 
the
> > spirit of moving forward these discussions.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------
> >
> >
> > 1) Require Apache 2.0 licence for future contributions to LO, possibly 
in
> > addition with other compatible licenses.
> >
> > a) Not willing to consider it
> >
> > b) Willing to consider it
> >
> >
> > 2) Encourage and facilitate TDF members signing an Apache CLA on their
> > past LO contributions
> >
> > a) Not willing to consider it
> >
> > b) Willing to consider it
> >
> >
> > 3) Encourage and facilitate TDF members contributing their work to 
both
> > Apache and TDF under respective licenses
> >
> > a) Not willing to consider it
> >
> > b) Willing to consider it
> >
> >
> > 4) Join Apache and do the core development work there, with 
LibreOffice
> > being a downstream consumer of the core, collaborating closely with 
Apache
> > via patches, defect reports, etc.
> >
> > a) Not willing to consider it
> >
> > b) Willing to consider it
> >
> >
> > 5) Join Apache and consolidate all development there,  under the name
> > OpenOffice
> >
> > a) Not willing to consider it
> >
> > b) Willing to consider it
> >
> >
> > 6) Join Apache and consolidate all development there,  under the name
> > LibreOffice.
> >
> > a) Not willing to consider it
> >
> > b) Willing to consider it
> >
> >
> > 7) Join Apache and consolidate all development there,  under the name 
ODF
> > Suite.
> >
> > a) Not willing to consider it
> >
> > b) Willing to consider it
> >
> >
> >
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Simon Phipps
> +1 415 683 7660 : www.webmink.com


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