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From Ross Gardler <rgard...@apache.org>
Subject Re: TDF/LO, what is the art of the possible?
Date Sat, 04 Jun 2011 15:59:08 GMT
I think it is relevant how the ASF would respond. Silence will be taken as negative yet if
the ASF Board were to response to such questions without first understanding the consensus
of the members I would be most displeased with my Board. 

To expect the TDF to treat their membership in this way is, IMHO, unreasonable. This should
be a dialog not a set of binary choices. 

Ross

Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos)

On 4 Jun 2011, at 13:37, robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote:

> "William A. Rowe Jr." <wrowe@rowe-clan.net> wrote on 06/04/2011 12:22:31 
> AM:
> 
>> From: "William A. Rowe Jr." <wrowe@rowe-clan.net>
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Date: 06/04/2011 12:23 AM
>> Subject: Re: TDF/LO, what is the art of the possible?
>> 
>> On 6/3/2011 7:09 PM, robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote:
>>> If someone on the list from TDF is authorized to answer this (or can 
> get 
>>> such authorization), I'd appreciate an official stance on the 
> following 
>>> questions.  This would help us understand what room there is for 
>>> negotiation and what is not worth discussing at all.
>> 
>> As the VP, HTTP Server Project, let me suggest how the ASF would answer
>> your questions, and possibly lead you to rephrase many of your 
> questions.
>> 
> 
> It is not relevant how ASF would answer these questions. 
> 
> I'm open to to possibility that a 6-month old open source association with 
> a single project might have more flexibility, as an organization, than 
> ASF, a 12-year old foundation, with a legal entity and nearly 170 
> projects.   Note that in this case I am talking specifically about the 
> organization, not the collective membership.  That is why I explicitly 
> directed the questions to the TDF Steering Committee, asking for an 
> official response.   I think this would be very useful. 
> 
> Of course, the views of the communities at large are important as well, 
> and ultimately even determining.  But as a practical matter we are not 
> going to directly negotiate this between hundreds of individual members of 
> TDF with many hundreds more of Apache participants.  But certainly, once 
> the parameters of the negotiations are established, and we work out a 
> proposed framework for collaboration, it would be perfectly reasonable for 
> the TDF Steering Committee to bring that to their general membership for 
> consultations and even a vote.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -Rob
> 
> 
> 
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