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From Ralph Goers <>
Subject Re: Bluesky calls for a new mentor!
Date Thu, 30 Jun 2011 03:24:28 GMT
Sorry, but the explanation below makes things sound even worse. Apache projects are not here
to give students a place to do school work. What you have described is not a community.  If
the project cannot build a community of people who are interested in the project for more
than a school term then it doesn't belong here.


On Jun 29, 2011, at 8:12 PM, SamuelKevin wrote:

> Hi, Noel:
> 2011/6/30 Noel J. Bergman <>
>> Joe Schaefer wrote:
>>> Chen Liu wrote:
>>>> We propose to move future development of BlueSky to the Apache Software
>>>> Foundation in order to build a broader user and developer community.
>>> You are supposed to be doing your development work in the ASF subversion
>>> repository, using ASF mailing lists, as peers.
>> Chen, as Joe points out, these are what BlueSky should have been doing for
>> the past three (3) years, and yet we still here a proposal for the future.
>>> Looking at the (limited) commit history, there is a total imbalance
>> between
>>> the number of people associated with the development work (20+) and the
>>> number of people with Apache accounts here (2).
>> I guess i can explain that. Most of the developers of BlueSky project are
> students. As you all know, students come  when they join in school and go
> after they graduate. So the active developers are around 10. Like we used to
> have 5 committers, but now we only have 2 committers in active.
>> Again, as Joe points out, ALL of BlueSky development should been done via
>> the ASF infrastructure, not periodically synchronized.  We are a
>> development
>> community, not a remote archive.
>>> What we really need you to discuss are *plans*, how you will implement
>> them,
>>> who will implement them, and how you will collaborate in the codebase as
>> peers.
>> Joe, again, has this on the money.  The BlueSky project must immediately
>> make significant strides to rectify these issues.  Now, not later.
>> We should see:
>> 1) All current code in the ASF repository.
>> 2) All development via ASF accounts (get the rest of the people signed
>> up).
>> 3) Ddevelopment discussion on the mailing list.
>> 4) All licensing issues cleaned up.
>> According to what you've listed, i would forward your suggestion to bluesky
> dev list and wish we could make a quick response after
> discussion. Appreciate your help.
> regards,
> Kevin
>>       --- Noel
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> Bowen Ma a.k.a Samuel Kevin @ Bluesky Dev Team    XJTU
> Shaanxi Province Key Lab. of Satellite and Terrestrial Network Tech

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