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From "Charles-H. Schulz" <>
Subject Re: Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HREUNITING the Community?
Date Thu, 02 Jun 2011 20:03:54 GMT

2011/6/2 Jim Jagielski <>

> On Jun 2, 2011, at 3:34 PM, wrote:
> >
> > Sense 2 is a but more subjective, since each person might have their own
> > vision of what the ideal community would look like.
> Let's look at it this way: Pretend that when things starting going
> south in OOo, but before TDF was formed, Oracle had done what it
> just did: donate the code and the trademark to the ASF.
> If that had happened, would those of you behind TDF still
> have created it? This is, I think, an important question,
> and an honest answer would get to any real underlying issues,
> imo.

That's a tough one, Jim :-) I can't speak for everyone else at TDF and
everyone else in general on this. My honest guess is that TDF would not have
had the momentum it has today. For a more complete answer I think we would
need to ponder how the "final" status of the project inside Apache would
have been/would be, how the project structure and goals, as well as
development processes would have been defined, etc. In a nutshell, I think
that in the absence of any alternative, OpenOffice inside Apache would have
made people happy in the sense that it would have been twenty times better
than what was happening with the "old" OpenOffice project. Yet many
difficulties would have existed (copyleft, non-copyleft being one of the
major issues).  But what this highlights imho, is that yesterday's
announcement comes out for many as something that does not make sense, at
least chronologically speaking. In French we use an expression that goes a
bit like "a hairball that landed in the soup"; I'm certainly not comparing
ASF to a hairball nor soup :-) but you get the idea. Worse, perhaps, is the
growing impression that something has gone wrong or didn't work the right
way between the major proponent of an OpenOffice project inside the Apache
foundation, IBM, and TDF. At least that's my feeling. I understand IBM has
business and strategic requirements, my personal feeling (I'm not speaking
on behalf of TDF on this one) is that we didn't have enough time/opportunity
to understand each other more. And now, we are looking at a hairball that
just landed in the soup. Let's see how we can deal with this in a
constructive way.


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