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From Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com>
Subject Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?
Date Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:25:02 GMT
I suggest you stick to the content of the e-mails on the list, Jim. Yes, I
am concerned about how this all came about, but the reason I am here on the
list is to be constructive and not to be bitch-slapped and misrepresented
just for showing up.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com> wrote:

> Cmon Joe, Simon's PoV has been clear from his tweets,
> unless he has changed his mind... If I am mis-representing
> his stance, Simon's a big boy and can tell me where I'm
> wrong and I'll admit I was wrong. Does he say that *both*
> TDF and the ASF has the opportunity? No, just the ASF.
>
> Maybe that is a nit, but of such nits confusion arises.
>
> On Jun 3, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>
> > Cmon Jim, he wrote a lengthy monologue which spelled
> > out his position.  As I read it, we could license
> > the OpenOffice trademark to the Document Foundation
> > for, as Simon put it, "business as usual" distributions.
> > If we wanted to we could specify a time/date/event
> > upon which that license terminates, and the "new"
> > stuff going on at the ASF would be distributing code
> > under the mark.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: Jim Jagielski <jim@jaguNET.com>
> >> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> >> Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 1:58:51 PM
> >> Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the
> > Community?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 3, 2011, at 1:36 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On 3  Jun 2011, at 17:52, Ian Lynch wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi  Florian,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I do see with great concern  is the need for a second project to
be
> set-up
> >>>>> at Apache or any  other entity.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thing is that this is  done, Oracle didn't and won't now give the IP
> to any
> >>>> other  foundation.  So we are where we are.
> >>>
> >>> We may be where we  are, but we collectively have the opportunity to
> >> collaborate once Oracle has  gone - that's what "open" means.  "My way
> or the
> >> highway" talk - from any  side - is detestable.  ASF has the opportunity
> to
> >> reject the bait to head  down the path of ideological conflict, choose a
> >> conciliatory path that respects  the existing community and especially
> to use
> >> the trademark (which is the only  actual asset being transferred) for
> everyone's
> >> good.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Let's be  honest: by "collaborate" you mean have the ASF simply
> >> xfer the code and the  trademark to TDF and walk away... At least,
> >> that is the strong impression you  give. Please correct me if  I'm
> >> wrong.
> >>
> >>
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