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From Donald Whytock <dwhyt...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Remediation ...
Date Thu, 09 Jun 2011 16:58:26 GMT
Considering the code was owned by Oracle, would Oracle and IBM have
slugged out any IP issues between them before now?

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Simon Phipps <simon@webmink.com>
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 12:46:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: Remediation ...
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>  wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Michael Meeks <michael.meeks@novell.com>
>> >  wrote:
>> > >
>> > >        IMHO this is vastly  preferable to some smoke and lawyer (IANAL)
>> > > filled room that issues  edicts to remove features and veto patches
>> > > without a clear public  rational on a public list (cf. the above).
>> >
>> > All work at the ASF  that involve changes to the code base will be done
>> > in smoke-free and  publicly archived mailing lists.
>> >
>> > If you have questions relating  to prior work done by groups other than
>> > the ASF, I encourage you to  contact those groups directly.
>> >
>>
>> Despite the tone, I do think  Michael makes a serious point. Rob did indicate
>> that IBM has IP concerns and  it would be good to have more details before
>> Apache takes on any  responsibilities for the code.
>
> I don't see how this has any bearing on the vote.  The ASF doesn't require
> entities to disclose whether or not any particular contribution includes a
> patent license.  If anything is certain about this podling, given the mentors
> there will be no tolerance for any unusual off-list collusion or non-public
> decision-making regarding contributions of any kind.
>
> If Rob or any other IBM person has issues with what LO distributes, they can
> take it up with the TDF.  If at some point there needs to be a discussion about
> outstanding patent claims regarding the code grant to the ASF, that is best done
> in the confines of a podling, on the podling's public dev list.
>
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