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From "Charles-H. Schulz" <charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org>
Subject Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HREUNITING the Community?
Date Sat, 04 Jun 2011 13:03:10 GMT
Hello Robert,

2011/6/4 Robert Burrell Donkin <robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com>

> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Florian Effenberger
> <floeff@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
> > Hi Robert,
>
> Hi Florian
>
> (Copying in Charles since he asked a similar question off list)
>

Did I send you a reply off-list? Damned phone...


>
> > I'm still reading a few messages and trying to reply to them, but wanted
> to
> > join in here:
>
> Just like the rest of us :-)
>
> Noisy and open - everyone with an opinion is welcome :-)
>
> > Robert Burrell Donkin wrote on 2011-06-04 09.14:
> >>
> >> The TDF is in no position to accept a major donation of either
> >> copyright or code today. Apache is.
> >
> > Why?
>
> AIUI [1] the TDF is not a legal entity today and is still in the
> process of building it's legal, organisational and process
> infrastructure.  I accept it has strong legal backing but today no
> (related) US non-profit corporation exists which could accept the
> donation.
>


2 comments here: 1) actually TDF has an existing legal entity at its core,
and it's a german association. 2) why a US non profit?

>
> The Apache Software Foundation provides a suitable legal no-profit
> organisation and in place today a suitable process to accept large
> donations of code from major organisations safely through the
> Incubator. It has considerable experience of opening close source
> projects and in working with rich downstream ecologies.
>
> > Can you elaborate?
>
> IMHO LibreOffice community finds itself in a similar position to the
> Apache group in the mid-90s. Great community. Fantastic momentum. Cool
> product.
>
> But establishing code provenance and the Apache Software Foundation
> (ASF) took a(n unexpectedly) large amount of time and energy.
> Establishing suitable licenses and agreements took time and energy
> over several iterations. Establishing a sound Incubation process took
> time and energy over many iterations. It took time for us to learn and
> evolve secure processes which don't completely suck.
>
> The TDF is at the start of a journey that the ASF started a decade ago
> and is yet to reach the end. The TDF may wish to consider whether an
> alternative path might achieve their aims faster...
>


We have been developing our governance and structure for 8 months. People
have put their trust and their faith in us. Why would you want us to scrap
that off in favor of something else and have people follow a governance they
don't even know?

Best,
Charles.



>
> Robert
>
> [1]
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/%3CBANLkTi=AY5PM-XVCVBxxJwJ0EqQQPwwWug@mail.gmail.com%3E
>

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