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From Ian Lynch <>
Subject Re: Upstream/Downstream (was OpenOffice & LibreOffice)
Date Wed, 08 Jun 2011 10:32:11 GMT
On 8 June 2011 08:43, Jochen Wiedmann <> wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:51 AM, Norbert Thiebaud <>
> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Noel J. Bergman <>
> wrote:
> >
> > [...] their downstream code cannot be used.  Hence, the best outcome
> > under the current licensing regime is for all core development to be
> > done here, and for TDF to be a downstream consumer.
> >
> > Just because you choose a particular license that does not make you
> > de-facto 'upstream'.
> Noel is describing a fact: It there is going to be something like
> "upstream", it can only be an ASL licensed OO, not a LGPL'ed LO.
> What he misses (as quite a few others do, which is possibly why you
> are reacting angry) is a certain amount of sensibility that
> acknowledges that this fact is just as likely to cause a total split
> between LO and OO. Your reaction only goes to show that this
> sensibility is required: Such a split would be the worst thing to
> happen and it is something where LO would loose nothing (compared to
> the time before the proposal) but would have missed a chance to win.

This is really the crux of all the discussions. Is it better to maximise the
development resource through cooperation or is it better to have two
separate developments that end up incompatible with one another as far as
code sharing is concerned? It's no good saying "if this or if that" because
we are where we are. If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle :-). So in the
end it is really quite a simple choice, cooperation or separation. If it is
cooperation and the licenses stay the same then to maximise resources,
Noel's position is logical if not easy  emotionally or philosophically for

> Jochen
> --
> Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men
> will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of
> everyone.
> John Maynard Keynes (
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